And then, too, as you say, this is how the pro world works, but it's not how the fandom world works - whether it should work that way is another question, but right now, in most fandoms, it doesn't, so to behave as if they're the same is asking for trouble.
Well, yeah, but my point (probably made badly) was that my own social mores for this sort of thing may have been shaped by the pro publishing world, specifically the comics publishing world, in ways I hadn't realized, and I've brought that with me to fandom. I had never quite thought about it that way before.
I do recognize that fandom works a little differently, but on the other hand, after almost ten years in online fandom, I'm not an guest, having to tread carefully so as not to upset the members of the community. I'm a member of the community, too! I have a right to be here and to act in accordance with my own beliefs on public criticism.
But, like you, I *can* see the validity of both sides, and on top of that, I'm seeing more and more people on both sides who are behaving badly (not, incidentally, you or anyone in this dicussion). There's respect for a person's beliefs, and then there's my own right to have *my* opinions, and ... when they come into conflict, I don't know which one should triumph. At the beginning of this whole debate (not between me and you, but the meta-debate in general) I had seen the so-called "cult of nice" people as being in the same camp as those who, say, dislike the very existence of slash because it conflicts with their interpretation of the character and makes them sad. Your need for a comfortable fan-space doesn't necessarily trump my need to make the fan-space comfortable for me, too. (Generic "you" here, not you specifically.) Unfortunately, the Internet is just so damn public. It's awfully hard to maintain separate spaces for mutually conflicting POVs.
... actually, since I was the one who brought up slash, I wonder if that's part of the reason for what seems to me to be a greater amount of acceptance of slash among gen-fen, and vice versa, than you used to get in ye olden days? It's something I'd really noticed in SGA - there are a lot of people who read and write both. I remember the walls being much less permeable in the olden days of fandom. I don't know if that's something to do with this fandom specifically, or if it's just that everyone has to deal with everyone else now, so they've learned (for the most part) to get along.
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Well, yeah, but my point (probably made badly) was that my own social mores for this sort of thing may have been shaped by the pro publishing world, specifically the comics publishing world, in ways I hadn't realized, and I've brought that with me to fandom. I had never quite thought about it that way before.
I do recognize that fandom works a little differently, but on the other hand, after almost ten years in online fandom, I'm not an guest, having to tread carefully so as not to upset the members of the community. I'm a member of the community, too! I have a right to be here and to act in accordance with my own beliefs on public criticism.
But, like you, I *can* see the validity of both sides, and on top of that, I'm seeing more and more people on both sides who are behaving badly (not, incidentally, you or anyone in this dicussion). There's respect for a person's beliefs, and then there's my own right to have *my* opinions, and ... when they come into conflict, I don't know which one should triumph. At the beginning of this whole debate (not between me and you, but the meta-debate in general) I had seen the so-called "cult of nice" people as being in the same camp as those who, say, dislike the very existence of slash because it conflicts with their interpretation of the character and makes them sad. Your need for a comfortable fan-space doesn't necessarily trump my need to make the fan-space comfortable for me, too. (Generic "you" here, not you specifically.) Unfortunately, the Internet is just so damn public. It's awfully hard to maintain separate spaces for mutually conflicting POVs.
... actually, since I was the one who brought up slash, I wonder if that's part of the reason for what seems to me to be a greater amount of acceptance of slash among gen-fen, and vice versa, than you used to get in ye olden days? It's something I'd really noticed in SGA - there are a lot of people who read and write both. I remember the walls being much less permeable in the olden days of fandom. I don't know if that's something to do with this fandom specifically, or if it's just that everyone has to deal with everyone else now, so they've learned (for the most part) to get along.