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X-parrot ([personal profile] xparrot) wrote2007-03-14 08:00 am

the Tragedy of Lex, 5th season ultimate edition

Just finished watching 5th season SV. After spending most of the season totally WTFing at Lex, because it initially seems like he just wakes up in the premiere with his supervillain switch flicked on - it's pretty cool how that's all explained in the second to last ep. Only it's done in such a way that we didn't get it until [livejournal.com profile] gnine figured out the explanation that makes the most sense, and now we're wondering where the fics are...the trouble with getting into fandom late is that we miss all the meta! (That is to say, you've probably seen this all before, I'm writing it out for my own benefit. And possibly future ficcing.)

Also - I gotta say, kudos to SV's writers. I'm not sure this is what they were going for for the entire season, but it does explain quite a bit that made no sense whatsoever otherwise, and it's a darn nifty slow-realization reveal. Even if man, yow. Poor, poor Lex. I've gone on before about the Tragedy of Lex but this...he's no villain. He's trying his damndest to be the hero.

For four seasons Lex has toed the line, but in 5th season he becomes so much more tragic ('cuz, yeah, the one thing Lex needed was more tragedy.) He starts slipping to the dark side for real - but he does it in a way it's damn hard to fault him for, because rather than bearing a personal grudge over Clark's betrayal, or proving himself worthy of love and respect, or whatever other petty motivations Lex offers up throughout the course of the season, in truth Lex Luthor spends the year trying to save the world. Everything he does, from the day after he's attacked in the caves by Zod's minions and finds the black ship, is motivated by the desperate and entirely understandable fear that alien invasion is imminent. And okay, the ends don't always justify the means - but when you have good reason to think that the survival of your species is at stake, a lot of means are pretty darn justified.

"Mortal" is Lex's first seemingly evil act, sending those mutants after Clark. Lex saw Zod's minions superspeed in the cave, and he clearly recognized that trick. He's got good evidence to theorize that Clark might be one of them; it's imperative to make sure of that ASAP, by any method. And no wonder he's thrown when it seems to be disproved - because finally, finally Lex was understanding why Clark was lying to him all this time; Clark might be a sleeper agent for the invasion. It couldn't have made him happy, but at least it would make sense. And then he's thrown back to square one: Clark is lying to him, and Lex can't figure out what he's doing wrong, that he can't be trusted. Only he can't care about that now, because there's a lot bigger things at stake.

"Aqua" was the ep that totally confused us; it made no sense that Lex would not only go ruthlessly evil, but change LuthorCorp's direction to defense contracts. It's the first time that we can recall ever seeing Lex interested in any kind of military applications. And he was so stupidly un-PC about the poor corporate publicity of a marine-life-killing weapon, his blasé "there's plenty of fish in sea," and - yeah, fate of humanity at stake. The potential political suicide isn't nearly as important as ensuring, not national, but global, defense. "Cyborg" is the same story. Why else make super-strong cyborg soldiers, but to battle super-strong aliens?

Then there's Lex's political ambitions. He gives a lot of excuses for why he's running for office, mostly related to his personal ambitions. The one he never mentions to anyone is that he needs political clout, pronto; he has to make the connections and get into a position where he can convince people of the reality of the peril the world's facing. (And, yeah, best reason ever to get wasted after losing - "Cheers, Mr. Kent, you and your son are gonna take over the world now.")

Lex gives a lot of excuses for his actions all through fifth season, because he doesn't know who he can trust. He's been raised to be paranoid and that instinct is in overdrive when the world's in danger. And the two people he has the most faith in, who he might have considered teaming up with: Lionel - Lex knows his father has been compromised by the alien threat, he's never going to drop a hint to Lionel; and Clark - might well be one of the invaders he fears. At the end of the season it seems like he comes to the conclusion Clark isn't, after seeing him go up against Fine, and he makes a couple tentative efforts to restore their friendship, but it's too late. Clark, realizing what Lex has been doing but not why, isn't able to trust him anymore. It's a sacrifice Lex accepts. With the stakes this high, there's very few things he can't afford to accept.

Meanwhile, there's Lana, who he can be pretty sure is not a potential invader, but who he doesn't want to freak out with ravings about the end of the world. Tentatively, he brings her into what he knows, but he's trying to keep her safe. I also can't help but wonder if he has some idea of using her to control Clark, if Clark does prove to be a threat. At any rate, she's the only one he can dare be at all honest with; little wonder they bond.

The road to hell, they say, and Lex has the best of intentions. If he lets his morals slide, if he lets that darkness he so feared earlier creep into his heart, then he has good reason. In 4th season he was still terrified of his darkness; in 5th season he embraces it, as the only way to save the human race. He's a sacrifice, with the others he makes, and it will be worth it. The tragedy is that it's all unnecessary. Krypton is destroyed; Zod and Brainiac are only a remnant, and other heroes are already out to stop them. If Clark had been honest with Lex, he would know what he was facing. But Clark isn't, and Lex doesn't know, and therefore takes measures that appear absolutely necessary.

The double tragedy is that the invasion happens anyway - and Lex is its instrument. He loses his gamble with Fine* and wakes up twenty-four hours later to find that he almost ended the world. "Guilt money," Chloe says, derisively, of his donating millions to Metropolis's reconstruction, and much as I love Chloe I could slap her for that line. Damn straight Lex has got guilt, and it's mostly unjustified; he would have done anything to stop Zod, had he been able. "I would have done the same thing," he tells Lana; but he couldn't, but he's not going to easily forgive himself for that. It's a wonder he doesn't have a complete mental breakdown. Or if he does, we don't get to see it, because we almost never see Lex alone with just his thoughts (grr again at the writers for dropping the "Lexmas" ball) and he's not going to scare Lana with that, and he doesn't dare tell Lionel, and Clark isn't talking to him anymore...

(* There's a bit of Brainiac mind control, or at least a tranquilizer, in the cocktail Fine shoots Lex up with; he may remember what happens after that, but he's acting entirely out of character from the moment he comes home to when Zod's ship summons him. Also this means that both times we see Lex asleep, he's under the influence of something. I am seriously starting to wonder if he actually has a bedroom, or sleeps at all.)

And the worst thing is, Lex, as far as we can tell, doesn't have any proof that the invasion is over. He still doesn't know that Krypton was destroyed; for all he knows, there's still a force on its way to Earth, and he's possibly the only thing standing in its way. Of course he's going to continue with 33.1 - mastering the mutants might be key to raising a defense. Whatever he's got going on with Lana might be equally important for that.

In fact, unless he finds more facts out later in 6th season eps we haven't seen, Lex is probably still operating under these assumptions. And might keep holding them until the day Kal-El publicly announces himself as the Last Son of Krypton, and wow, I will not blame Lex for having a total meltdown. After selling his soul to defend against a threat that doesn't actually exist - no wonder he decides to focus his efforts on the only alien threat still extant. It'll be the only way he has to stay sane.

[identity profile] bagheera-san.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
Woah. I think I'm starting to underestimate the SV writers so much that I don't see the big picture when there actually *is* one. I completely failed to notice this...

This motivation is so obvious in S5 whenever the issue of the spaceship comes up, and definitely in "Vessel"! [I just fear that some of the SV writers haven't gotten the memo - like whoever wrote "Lexmas" or that they deliberately try to keep it ambiguous for those who want to see Lex as a flat villain (though I fail to see who would).]

I think this bit of meta has just completely thrown over my Lex characterization for S5/6. He's not been hit over the head too many times, he actually has a plan! No wonder he's so depressive about being evil.

I hope that when we find out what's up with Lana's baby, Lex will get a chance to justify himself...

I'd also love to see Lex meeting SV!J'onn... a mind-reader (which SV!J'onn seems to be) would come in *very* handy in this cosmic case of misunderstanding.
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[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 03:28 am (UTC)(link)
Ahh, so it isn't that obvious, then! We were wondering, because I haven't seen any fic with the idea, but it seems like the only possible way to read it. It was a wow moment when [livejournal.com profile] gnine pointed it out - I was saying 6th season Lex probably resulted from a guilt-induced breakdown after nearly destroying the world when he was trying to save it, and she pointed out that maybe he still was trying to save it, and then that he was trying to do the same in 5th season, too. And then everything Lex does made a lot more sense, in a way I really gotta credit the SV writers for. Especially for "Aqua" - that one bothered me, that he'd suddenly be into defense contracts and screwing the environment when he's never done anything like it before. But of course he's interested in weapons now. It also explains why Lex is suddenly so willing to lie to Clark, when he always hesitated to do so before. Clark is, possibly, the Enemy in a way he never has been to Lex previously.

No, I don't think every writer got the memo - but that might be partly because they're trying to keep secret what Lex is up to with Fine until the end of the season. Lex actually states his motives clearly then, but the scene is too quick to really process. He's obviously desperate to save the world, but doesn't mention to Fine how else he's been trying to do that, besides the vaccine (of course he doesn't; he can't show his hand to his enemy. But it's a problem for the viewer, because he never does get an opportunity to state his motives. Which, actually, is a darn cool and subtle way to do it...)

My only fear now is that 6th season's writers might let this plot twist drop. I'm gonna be watching the season for it now...the trick is, the viewers, and Clark et al know that there's no threat of invasion, so it's pretty easy for (audience and writers alike) to forget that Lex doesn't know. I just hope they don't forget. It's a terrifically tragic misunderstanding right now - Lex is letting people assume he's the villain, for the sake of being the real hero and not bringing anyone else down with him. Poor boy. Depressed doesn't begin to cover it. He probably can't even drink as much, because he'd fear blowing his cover...

And yeah, a mindreader would come in very handy about now. Hmmm. It can't happen in the show anytime soon, because this Lex can still be saved, and the writers can't let that happen, but...

[identity profile] attaccabottoni.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 04:47 am (UTC)(link)
I think Lex has been fixated about the knowledge of alien life since season one, and because he still doesn't understand how it all comes together, due to his many disastrous dealings with extraterrestrial forces (like Lana's limited knowledge that all mutants are evil, except maybe Clark whom she's investigating at the moment) he would focus on the threat they present to the world.

That's the thing about this show: for their many heavy-handed storytelling moves, the thing about Lex is that they are never clear about his motives because his life doesn't allow for such revelations, even with his relationships with other people.

And Red!K Clark always smacks me in the face of the fact that if only Lex and Lana knew half of what Clark knows, they wouldn't think or act that irrational around him, or get themselves into situations or pursuits that aren't exactly informed choices.

In particular, despite Splinter being a Clark-centric episode, I was focused on the Lex parts, and considered it to be the only time Lex was frightened of Clark, because despite his own suspicions about him, he believed Clark would never hurt his loved ones deliberately, and seeing Clark hurt Lana without knowing about the Black K infection shook him up, because it proved that when he's not being the moral pillar of goodness, Clark is dangerous. Linking that to the possibility of alien involvement (not to mention his shiftyness that Lex still doesn't know is induced by Red K), no wonder he was driven to beat Jonathan in the elections despite his previous admiration for the man, because now he's not so sure about the Kentian level of ethics if they've raised someone that deceptive and uncontrollably powerful.

When I get the urge to tally what each SV character could know about Lex, no wonder people think he's evil, because he could be easily judged by his actions. No one stops to think that his motives should make their value judgments more complicated. As for myself, the reason why I can't be convinced (at this point of S6 canon anyway) that Lex is evil, despite what the show portrays him to seem to be, is because Lex ISN'T HAPPY. When was the last time you saw him having fun? And we all know that he would do ANYTHING to protect that which he cares about. His showy villainous act doesn't fool me. :D
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[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 05:04 am (UTC)(link)
What gets me is that while Lex has always been fascinated with alien life, and has reason to fear the possible threat, in season 5 he is absolutely correct. The only things he gets wrong is overestimating the strength of the invaders (and not by much; Zod may be one man but he wreaks a hell of a lot of damage); and that Lex thinks he's the only one who knows the truth, and thus the only one who can do anything about it. He's not leaping to paranoid conclusions; the threat is very real. And if the world didn't have Clark? Yeah, Earth would be pretty well screwed. Even despite Lex's efforts - but one can't blame him for trying.

Yeah, it is cool - if horribly frustrating to watch - that Lex's motivations have to stay murky, because he has no outlet to express his revelations. And good point about Splinter, now I want to watch it again (I really wanna rewatch most of s5 Lex, with this reading in mind...)
Though as far as beating Jonathan in the senatorial race goes, as I see it, it's never about beating Jonathan for Lex. He enters the race before Jonathan does; he's extremely hesitant to use dirty tactics against Jonathan (and while he has a whole stack of secrets on Clark, as always, it doesn't seem to cross Lex's mind to ever use them as blackmail, even if it's Lionel's first option). Lex wants to win the election for his own reasons - and I really do think that while he gives personal excuses to Lionel, in no small part he's looking to gather power expressly to be in a position to do some serious good. But he can't explain this to Jonathan because he knows how loyal Jonathan is to Clark, and he cannot trust Clark...

Yeah, everyone always judges Lex by his actions and never once tries to consider his motivations. And I don't know why they're all so blind to how miserable he is. I'm still trying to figure out why Clark didn't realize something was seriously wrong - Lex goes evil in the beginning of season 5, in a way that's totally different and more obvious than anything he's ever done before, and everyone just nods and goes "ah-hah, we knew it all along!" without once questioning that he's been brainwashed, or possessed, or split into an evil self, or any of the other things that affect people's minds and behavior on SV on a weekly basis. ARGH!

[identity profile] attaccabottoni.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 05:51 am (UTC)(link)
He can't talk to the right people, he doesn't have enough evidence, and he wouldn't want mass panic. And the one who has all the proof he would need is the one person who would turn out to be the most mistrustful.

Yeah, that Senatorial race, which first frustrated me as another method the writers chose to show how evil Lex could get, when in fact it shows that Lex would do things even at the risk of losing what's left of the Kents' good will towards him in order to get into the position of power, and I wouldn't fault him for wanting that, considering what he knows of the dangers he wants to protect the world from (i.e., rogue mutants and aliens).

Clark is naive in a way that he doesn't know what he and his actions look like or what he represents to other people. And... I think his feelings for Lex are complicated. :D
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[personal profile] naye 2007-03-14 09:25 am (UTC)(link)
Excellent meta! Fascinating read, even for me. But also frustrating, because - it's all so horribly tragically sad. I don't know if I could watch a show that did that to me, unless it was something like B5, which is an excellent show all around, with a creator I really trust.

[identity profile] ginxy.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 01:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Whoa - good read. You guys really put a lot of thought into it and yeah it does make sense. I'm not sure if it's intentional by the writers or not - I'd like to think it is but then again - perception is reality. Thanks for posting that - it was very interesting.

[identity profile] awehla.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 02:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I've never thought the character of Lex is a villian either in "Smallville" or "Lois & Clark". In both shows he is portrayed as being more than a stereotypical villian especially in Smallville. I also agree with you about his motives. Lex has always wanted to save the world - I think in the comics this is explored too but I'm not a big comic reader so I won't go in to that. In season 3 there is an episode, "Talisman" I think it is, where Lex and Clark are discussing some legend in the caves and Lex sees the "villian" Segith(?) as the hero protecting the world from "the men who shoot fire from their eyes".

I think in simple terms Superman/Clark Kent has been the hero and Lex the villian but in reality when you look deeper it is simply a matter of morality. Lex believes in doing anything to stop the "alien invasion" for example, even it means killing people/sea life, betraying Jonathan Kent etc. whereas Clark would say you shouldn't do any of those things no matter what the circumstances. The trouble is it is a lot easier to do things Lex's way because Clark has to break his rules a lot more especially when those he loves are involved.

An interesting post anyway, I will be recommending it to the ledger.

Lisa
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[identity profile] lukita.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 03:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah you've put the hazy ideas I've been thinking about S5!Lex and S6!Lex into much better perspective. The only thing missing now is just how much Lana told Lex after getting un-Zodified. We kinda presumed Lana told Lex the invasion is over offscreen because she knew enough to go the the Kents farm and offer to kill Zod. The other thing is that she supports Level 33.1 because mutants=bad or at least that's what she told Lex, not because of alien invasion.

I want to believe Lana's baby is Kryptonian-human hybrid, I do, I do.

[identity profile] jakrar.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 05:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh my god -- you and your sister are brilliant! Of course this is what's motivating Lex in the 5th and 6th seasons! And of course he wouldn't have to do all these ruthless things and make all these terrible sacrifices if Clark would just tell him the truth! Oh, Lex. Poor, misunderstood, heroic Lex. *hugs Lex, and smacks Clark for good measure* Dare I hope that you'll be writing fic based on this observation...?
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[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 06:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Most of what Lex does, when seen through his perspective, are not evil acts but sacrifices...he's giving up the life he wants, for what he believes the world needs.

Totally right about Clark. Clark is very compassionate, but not terribly empathic - he's not at all good at understanding other peoples' perspectives. Like Lex...he knows more about Lex than probably anyone; I suspect that some of the things Lex told him he never even mentioned to Lana. But even knowing the trauma in Lex's past, Clark can't quite seem to relate that Lex's background is so different from his own that a lot of issues of morality that are clear lines for him are all but invisible to Lex...
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[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah...B5, you know that even if it was agonizing, ultimately it would be satisfying. This is...really incredibly painful. I don't know if we've ever had a show quite break our hearts in this way. Especially since there's the whole issue of knowing their destiny, watching now knowing they never are going to be friends again...
Though I do have more respect now for the show than I did. It is pretty cool, to take the greatest supervillain of them all, and justify him, such that right now? I really can't say I oppose most of what he does...(even if it does leave me screaming at the hero. aaaaaaargh if only they could just understand!!!)
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[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 06:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I suspect it's partly intentional, partly not. Actually I have a hunch that some writers on the show write it this way, and some do not. But watching 6th season, most of what Lex does, his obsession, does make more sense from this perspective...
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[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 06:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I've read a couple of the recent comics that justify Lex, some cool anti-hero ideas. The difference for me with SV is that I actually find myself not just understanding his motives, but agreeing with them! When Lex is fighting Superman, it's a matter of trust; he doesn't trust Superman to always stay the savior, and he has a certain right to that distrust, but most evidence is against him. In SV, the threat Lex is facing is quite real...and while Clark's moral code is commendable, there's a certain point that someone might have to cross the line, even if Superman can't.

What also gets me is that other incarnations of Lex often seem to use Superman as an excuse - they're usually well-established in their underhanded ways before he appears on the Metropolis scene. While as SV's Lex is only resorting to the methods he is after pretty serious duress - Zod came this close to destroying the world. Lex is panicked and desperate and he's not at all happy that he's having to do what he does - he's about the most miserable supervillain I've ever seen...

(Glad you found it interesting, and thanks for the rec!)
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[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 07:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I have a bad feeling Lana left a lot about Zod out when talking to Lex...maybe just to spare his feelings. But considering she didn't explain what was up with the Brainiac power-source thing until after he confronted her with it...yeah. I don't know about 33.1, either...having just watched that ep, I got the sticky feeling that Lana might have been lying about her approval, to get on Lex's good side, why I'm not sure...

If Lana's baby was Conner, that would be awesome x1000. It's totally not gonna happen. But still...!!
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[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 07:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I gotta admit, we were all bouncey excited about it. And it works, too...we're mostly through 6th season and they actually start stating it pretty clearly. It's just that the show presents Lex's obsession as a bad thing, not acknowledging that it's totally completely justified - and arguably necessary, considering the Zoners and god-knows-what-else is out there...

Oh man, I want to write 6th season Clex reconciliation fic so badly, now that I know it's possible. It would mostly consist of Lex helping them with some terrible alien threat with his latest superweapon, and Clark being all, 'duuuh, uh, why'd you help us?' and Lex screaming hysterically, 'Why do you THINK I've been making all these weapons, did you think I want to destroy the world? Why the HELL would I want to destroy MY PLANET, Clark???'
(what's disturbing me about 6th season is that everyone seems to be confusing Lex with Zod; they all assume he's eeeeeevil with precious little justification...)

[identity profile] dogwoodblossom.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 07:15 pm (UTC)(link)
See, now I feel stupid for not having watching the last three or so episodes of season 5. Oh well. My favorite part of season 5 was where Clark bursts in on Lex to ream him for bringing Victor Stone back from the dead (how the hell was he supposed to get consent for that anyway? Maybe with the drug from Void). Lex tells Clark that, "Some miracles have a price, but that doesn't make them any less profound." I think that sums up season 5 Lex in a nutshell.

I also like that line because it made my mom go, "Yeah, Clark! I agree with Lex!" instead of complaining that that's not how teenagers act/talk like she usually does when we make her watch SV.]

Also, how pathetically, adorably sad is the Election victory party scene? It just underscores Lex's complete and utter aloneness. Everyone in town is with Jonathan Kent, and even if he'd lost, they'd all still be there to support him. All of Lex's few remaining friends/aquantainces are there. If he hadn't called Lana she wouldn't spare him a thought either. He's just all alone in his empty castle. I remember thinking, 'shouldn't he have some flunkies or somebody here? What about his campaign manager? He seemed nice.' Then I remembered that his campaign manager was shot in the previous episode. The guy just can't get a break. Other villains all have evil friends. Even (especially) psychos like the Joker. Through out his canon Lex has Mercy (who's fiercely loyal but not really a friend) and Lena, his daughter. His other child Conner aka Superboy (there are not words to say how much I love Lex and Clark's canonical test tube lovechild) won't even talk to him despite the fact that he is a waaaayyy better parent than Clark (but that's a whole other rant completely unrelated to this one).
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Re: just my thoughts

[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 07:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Totally agree on the Greek tragedy angle. *sniff* Everyone trying to do right, and ending up victims of destiny anyway...

Yeah, we watched most of 5th season convinced that Lex's supervillain propensities were because of Clark's betrayal and his own issues. But if you watch the last couple episodes, what Lex is doing with Fine, he's definitely extremely concerned about the alien threat, and a lot of things he did that seem petty or stupid actually make total sense. Lex's obsession with Clark has taken on a whole new, more practical shape. He has set himself a goal - protecting his planet - and he will not allow anything to stop him. (also totally agree about the PTSD after Zod. Why does no one see that?!)

And yeah, Jonathan Kent had a lot of great qualities, but he fucked up his son pretty badly, when it comes to certain issues of trust and understanding...
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[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 07:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Heeee! We had the same issues all through "Cyborg". There was the same problem with whosit, Adam Knight in 3rd season. "Oh, Lionel Luthor is bringing people back from the dead! Isn't that terrible?" Very odd ideas they have on this show. (Don't get us started on the wonder drug in "Rage" that could heal life-threatening wounds at the cost of a couple days of PMS. I would take the PMS, thank you.)

But you really ought to watch the last three eps. They're pretty awesome, and, yeah...I'm becoming more and more sure this really is the answer to Lex's sudden change of heart. It explains so much. It's also supported so far in 6th season - in fact he states it outright several times, the need to have a good defense. It's just always presented like, ooooh, Lex is obsessed and therefore EEEEVOL, but I don't buy it. There is a very real danger - hello, Zod almost destroyed the world a few months ago, and the only reason he didn't succeed is because Clark got lucky. Lex is obsessed for a Very. Good. Reason. I just wish someone would realize that!!!

Lex is so terribly alone. I almost caught myself rooting for the Lexana, just because it meant he had someone. (Of course then Lana is a stupid bint and ruins that and I came back to my senses, thank goodness...)

And heeeee! I'm writing Conner-fic right now ^___^ Though it's AU so rather less dysfunctional (I need fluff now and again!)

[identity profile] jakrar.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 07:42 pm (UTC)(link)
You writing 6th-season CLex reconciliation fic would be awesome! *nudges you hopefully*
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Re: just my thoughts

[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 07:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, the alien factor didn't even occur to us until the beginning of 6th season. It's subtle! But it's there (I still maintain "Aqua" is the proof; the Leviathan weapon makes no sense, unless you know that Lex is trying to defend the world...)

Lex has a very complicated view of anything. And yeah, that was great foreshadowing! The recent view of Lex in the comics is like this, as far as I can tell, but I think SV takes it to extremes...

And Lex is, and always will be, in love with Clark!!! It maybe didn't show in this rant but I am a raging Clex OTPer...all my fic is about proving how much they love each other, and even in 6th season I refuse to give that up ;)

[identity profile] ljs-lj.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 08:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, wow. I love this reading of Lex - tragic, but highly believable in my opinion. Lex has confused me so much the last few seasons, but this larger issue of 'imminent alien invasion' and Lex trying to find a means of defending humanity really seems to fit. I don't know if we can trust the writers et.al. to have intended this, particularly from as early as season 3 or 4, but in retrospect it makes a ton of sense. And it certainly helps explain the whole 33.1 mess of recent - like with making Victor Stone a super-powerful cyborg to battle super-powered alien invaders, creating an army of super-powered meteor "freaks" (or creating yet more "freaks" in the secret labs) can be seen as an end-justifies-the-means attempt find a way to defend mankind. I've always loved that line where Lex suggests that Segeeth is actually the hero, not Naman, because he keeps Naman in check - I remember thinking that Lex really identified with that idea, even if he wasn't sure that Clark was Naman, and your theory certainly is in line with that whole storyline (which aside from the witches in Season 4 going to the caves, and the caves being a conduit to the Fortress in the Arctic, seems to have been somewhat dropped by the wayside).

I'll be recommending this on my journal!

[identity profile] dogwoodblossom.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 08:03 pm (UTC)(link)
It also really bugs me that they even brought up Cyborg, what with his being third gen Teen Titans and probably not even born when the JLA was founded. But, you know, oh well.

But squee! for Conner-fic! Conner-fic can't not be fluff. No matter how serious it is. I am so pissed about (potential spoiler alert if you're really behind/unaware about what's been going on in DC comics over the last several months) his funeral at the beginning of 52. Superman dies saving Metropolis from a big uninteresting monster (that really really shouldn't have even been able to kill him. Lame.) and he gets a huge funeral. Attended by world dignitaries and throngs of mourners. Superboy dies saving the space/time continuum possibly an infinite number of continuums, and he doesn't even get a mention at his own funeral, which consists of members of the JLA backslapping each other to be still alive. But again, completely unrelated rant.

[identity profile] dogwoodblossom.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
The whole Segeeth keeping Naman in check thing is really emphasized in the comics. Lex repeatedly points out that Superman could easily conquer the world if he felt like it (Batman thinks the same thing, hence his own stockpile of kryptonite). Superman is so self-righteous and sees everything in black and white, and that's where the danger is. They go into it a whole lot in Superman: Red Son. If Superman gets impatient with humanity he can just impose his own ideals through force. With Lex constantly bugging him, he has a distraction.

The other less physical threat that Lex sees in Superman is that he will make humanity complacent. Human progress will stop because there are super powered beings solving all it's problems. Lex persists with his attempts at world domination to give Superman something to fight against, and remind the rest of humanity that they are capable of great things themselves. That Man can stand against Superman. No wonder everyone likes him better.

[identity profile] yma2.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Interesting thoughts here.
I've not really watched much of the other seasons, aside from 1 and some of 6. But what you say seems to make sense. One day I must find a way to watch more...
I love your icon, btw.

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