"But that's just my own tastes in fiction, and Fringe does great things with its characters...."
Oh, I totally appreciate that. I guess the writers of Fringe were writing more for my tastes, which doesn't happen that often. :-)
I love AUs and time travel, too, but more for the emotional aspects of the situations. I see the show as being about the emotional situations, rather than having anything to do with science.
Walter broke the walls between the two worlds because he loved Peter so much, and he suffered guilt because of this for years, but he made up for what he saw as a sin, by travelling with the little Observer boy into the future and not returning. That was a sacrifice on his part. By returning, he would have rendered his sacrifice null and void. So it didn't matter whether he could return or not. :-)
Also, I think that if you mess with time, you create paradoxes and 'chaoses' and so on, so that 'rules' don't apply. I just don't think you can say, 'If you time travel or go from one universe to another, such and such couldn't happen!' because you'd be arguing on the basis of logic from our universe and our version of time. Once you jump from timeline to timeline, or universe to universe, those rules might no longer apply. It's like the logic of Flatland, in which only two dimensions exist. Flantlanders don't understand the logic of 'up' or 'down', because for them, neither concept exists.
ETA: "...removing the Observers from history would erase pretty much the entire show, since redverse!Peter would've been cured and Walter never would've crossed over to begin with...."
Which is what I mean by the chaos created by time travel. It might not be possible to erase something from history entirely.
"Also, why were the Observers back in time at all - or forward; if their future was so bad they had to flee back in time, then how come they were contacting the future at all..."
Perhaps there was more to the story than the show could tell us, because it was in the future and the major charaters weren't there to see it -- or something. Maybe the Observers were drunk on power and just enjoyed messing with the people in Olvia's timeline.
But I agree the show screwed up a little over all that. The rest of the show was so great that I didn't care, though. :-)
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Date: 2013-03-12 08:27 am (UTC)Oh, I totally appreciate that. I guess the writers of Fringe were writing more for my tastes, which doesn't happen that often. :-)
I love AUs and time travel, too, but more for the emotional aspects of the situations. I see the show as being about the emotional situations, rather than having anything to do with science.
Walter broke the walls between the two worlds because he loved Peter so much, and he suffered guilt because of this for years, but he made up for what he saw as a sin, by travelling with the little Observer boy into the future and not returning. That was a sacrifice on his part. By returning, he would have rendered his sacrifice null and void. So it didn't matter whether he could return or not. :-)
Also, I think that if you mess with time, you create paradoxes and 'chaoses' and so on, so that 'rules' don't apply. I just don't think you can say, 'If you time travel or go from one universe to another, such and such couldn't happen!' because you'd be arguing on the basis of logic from our universe and our version of time. Once you jump from timeline to timeline, or universe to universe, those rules might no longer apply. It's like the logic of Flatland, in which only two dimensions exist. Flantlanders don't understand the logic of 'up' or 'down', because for them, neither concept exists.
ETA: "...removing the Observers from history would erase pretty much the entire show, since redverse!Peter would've been cured and Walter never would've crossed over to begin with...."
Which is what I mean by the chaos created by time travel. It might not be possible to erase something from history entirely.
"Also, why were the Observers back in time at all - or forward; if their future was so bad they had to flee back in time, then how come they were contacting the future at all..."
Perhaps there was more to the story than the show could tell us, because it was in the future and the major charaters weren't there to see it -- or something. Maybe the Observers were drunk on power and just enjoyed messing with the people in Olvia's timeline.
But I agree the show screwed up a little over all that. The rest of the show was so great that I didn't care, though. :-)