That was the last bit of meta that I posted on Keller, because I have to admit I did get a little bit tired of people reading these posts and others like them and then heading for the fainting couch. It just seemed like people were going out of their way to put themselves in situations where they could get their righteous indignation on (not saying that this relates to you).
I don't assume that everyone hates that character and I would hope that anyone with any life experience also wouldn't make blanket statements like that. Unfortunately sometimes people can forget that others may not think the same way they do about things, that just because we share the same source material doesn't mean that we see the same things that happen on screen or that we're on the same emotional wavelength. An enthusiastic "Keller's done great things for SGA" is going to be like nails on a chalkboard to someone who loathes the character, just as much as the opposite would apply - but it would also be a completely innocuous statement to someone who is not that emotionally invested.
If someone labels a post "No character bashing" and someone posts a comment that bashes a character, surely, SURELY, it's a case of dealing with that individual rather than labelling all of fandom as insensitive jerks when you're actually talking about specific people. You can remind them, in case it slipped their mind and they otherwise don't seem like a person who would act rudely, you can freeze the thread and delete the comment, you can even ban them if they're being nothing more than trolls. Your journal, your power to control what goes on in it. Seriously, if you've stated that this is a "pro-keller zone" on your journal/post (or what ever wording you might use) and an ljer purposely ignores that, ban them. Because they are little more than a troll at this point.
Same thing for moderators in journals - hell if you want public space changed maybe take your concerns to the mods and get rules set up and/or enforced if they're of a sympathetic mind - or start your own! Carve out your own niche if you don't think that one exists and I'm sure you'll get people enthusiastically involved with you. I'm seeing a lot of complaining going on about how fandom is a bad vile space and how victimisation is going on, but nothing about actually changing it. Again, human nature.
If it's becoming truely a sensitive thing, take some time out, shake it off, come back again - it's my advice after going through the same thing - it really doesn't seem so important then and it shrinks back down to the internet, a tv programme and a bunch of fictional characters - ones that we can love, but not have it upset us.
And at this point I'm going to take my own advice and back out of this conversation. Unfortunately it is the case that sometimes people are just different (and I don't mean that in a negative way, it's really not) and that dialogue may end up de-evolving into arm flailing, and nobody wants the arm flailing. :D
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Date: 2009-02-26 09:30 pm (UTC)I don't assume that everyone hates that character and I would hope that anyone with any life experience also wouldn't make blanket statements like that. Unfortunately sometimes people can forget that others may not think the same way they do about things, that just because we share the same source material doesn't mean that we see the same things that happen on screen or that we're on the same emotional wavelength. An enthusiastic "Keller's done great things for SGA" is going to be like nails on a chalkboard to someone who loathes the character, just as much as the opposite would apply - but it would also be a completely innocuous statement to someone who is not that emotionally invested.
If someone labels a post "No character bashing" and someone posts a comment that bashes a character, surely, SURELY, it's a case of dealing with that individual rather than labelling all of fandom as insensitive jerks when you're actually talking about specific people. You can remind them, in case it slipped their mind and they otherwise don't seem like a person who would act rudely, you can freeze the thread and delete the comment, you can even ban them if they're being nothing more than trolls. Your journal, your power to control what goes on in it. Seriously, if you've stated that this is a "pro-keller zone" on your journal/post (or what ever wording you might use) and an ljer purposely ignores that, ban them. Because they are little more than a troll at this point.
Same thing for moderators in journals - hell if you want public space changed maybe take your concerns to the mods and get rules set up and/or enforced if they're of a sympathetic mind - or start your own! Carve out your own niche if you don't think that one exists and I'm sure you'll get people enthusiastically involved with you. I'm seeing a lot of complaining going on about how fandom is a bad vile space and how victimisation is going on, but nothing about actually changing it. Again, human nature.
If it's becoming truely a sensitive thing, take some time out, shake it off, come back again - it's my advice after going through the same thing - it really doesn't seem so important then and it shrinks back down to the internet, a tv programme and a bunch of fictional characters - ones that we can love, but not have it upset us.
And at this point I'm going to take my own advice and back out of this conversation. Unfortunately it is the case that sometimes people are just different (and I don't mean that in a negative way, it's really not) and that dialogue may end up de-evolving into arm flailing, and nobody wants the arm flailing. :D