Heh, and Xander was one of my least favorite chars in Buffy, precisely because he did seem 'Sue-ish, that there were times I thought the show was expecting we-the-audience to feel sorry for him or whatever, when I thought he was just being a jerk. I liked him better later on, but he was never a fave.
I suppose a lot of it is about how other characters react to them
This is a really good point, one that I probably should've emphasized more. I know for me, this tends to be what I mean when I call a char a Sue, more than any other quality - those chars who are liked/loved who I don't feel deserve it. Obviously this is rather subjective, because chars who I like who get love don't bother me - I liked Rose, so the Doctor loving her didn't annoy me. And then on the other side, while I didn't love TW's Gwen, I never hated her, either, and part of it was because she didn't particularly feel like she was treated that specially to me (even though a lot of TW fans seem to feel otherwise.)
And then there was Dawn in Buffy, who I couldn't stand, and a lot of it was because she was loved and I simply didn't feel she was worth it - but she's a very strange case because that was the whole conflict of her character, that everyone had literally been brainwashed into, not adoring her, but caring about her...didn't make me like her any better, though :P
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Date: 2010-04-22 03:03 am (UTC)I suppose a lot of it is about how other characters react to them
This is a really good point, one that I probably should've emphasized more. I know for me, this tends to be what I mean when I call a char a Sue, more than any other quality - those chars who are liked/loved who I don't feel deserve it. Obviously this is rather subjective, because chars who I like who get love don't bother me - I liked Rose, so the Doctor loving her didn't annoy me. And then on the other side, while I didn't love TW's Gwen, I never hated her, either, and part of it was because she didn't particularly feel like she was treated that specially to me (even though a lot of TW fans seem to feel otherwise.)
And then there was Dawn in Buffy, who I couldn't stand, and a lot of it was because she was loved and I simply didn't feel she was worth it - but she's a very strange case because that was the whole conflict of her character, that everyone had literally been brainwashed into, not adoring her, but caring about her...didn't make me like her any better, though :P