on trying to pimp Homestuck
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xparrotAs threatened! And because I can't be the only one who's been noticing the growing number of fic on AO3 and wondering what was up with that (I got it confused with Homestar Runner for a good couple months there...) and then if/when you do look it up, you end up on MSPaint Adventures baffled (or possibly worse, the MSPA Wiki, which in my experience is terrifying to the uninitiated.)(And then I spent two hours on it last night when I ran out of new pages...)
The brief explanation: [mostly spoiler-free, provided you don't click the links; I mention a few future things but trust me, there's a lot going on and I'm not giving any of the surprises away.] Homestuck is the latest and longest-running story on MSPA (unrelated to previous adventures, none of which I've read.) It's nominally a webcomic, insofar as you have to call it something; it might be easier to think of it as a detailed walk-through to an illustrated text adventure game that doesn't actually exist. It's not particularly interactive (with the exception of a few fun little RPG-style flash mini-games); it's not a game but an unusual narrative device, with the story being told mostly through text-adventure style descriptions and commands, and chat logs.
That's cool and all, I like innovative story-telling techniques, but they aren't worth much if you don't have a story to tell. Which Homestuck's got in spades (also diamonds, hearts, and clubs):
Reasons you shouldn't read Homestuck:
--If you don't like drama getting in your comedy, or comedy getting in your drama, in a big sticky angstbutter-and-crackcolate mess
--If you are highly allergic to reading dialog in chat logs and l33t speak (if you're just not a fan, that's okay; I would much rather read regular dialog, too. But it's necessary to the story and you get used to it.)
--If you're opposed to obscene language (mostly as you'd expect in trolled chats. Though often rather more bizarrely flavored.)
--If you demand chronological, linear storytelling and prompt explanations for bizarre occurrences (Lost has nothing on Homestuck.)
--If you don't have a few spare hours to lose by going to read "a couple of pages" and then not being able to stop hitting the next link
Reasons you should read Homestuck [warning that bolded links lead to spoilery animation, if somewhat incomprehensible out of context]:
--Twisty time-travel and a figure-out-as-you-go plot!
--Awesome music! (non-spoilery music-only link) (This is one of my faves - bgm to this very spoilery animation.)
--Surreal world-building!
--Peculiar symbolism and wild word-play! (it's rare for me to come across English vocabulary I don't know. I think I've picked up about ten new words reading this.)
--Hijinx and shenanigans! (Later in the story a cross-time message board is introduced, so characters can speak to other characters at different points in time - including chatting with their own past and future selves. One char in particular gets into flamewars with himself.)
--The world's most complex relationship schema (Troll romance is...unique. And a major reason why there's so much fic, I suspect. Doesn't hurt that the canon's slash-permissive, since the trolls explicitly do not get why we'd even have a word for homosexuality - they've got too much else to worry about when it comes to 'shipping to bother paying attention to things like gender.)
--And of course the characters!!!
Homestuck manages the trick of having a whole cast of people who aren't necessarily very smart or nice or heroic or even superficially very likable, and making you like and care about them anyway. They're not exactly realistic (for instance, the main cast are all supposed to be 13 years old, which they talk and act like approximately never), but most of them are sympathetic or at least understandable, and you find yourself cheering them on and hoping they come through, or else get their just deserts (...either of which is not guaranteed, I should mention - no spoilers there, but the story's awfully unpredictable and not done yet, so caveats.) They're also impressively well-drawn - not artistically speaking (they appear only as pseudo-sprites for the first half of the series) but in characterization - there are 4 major characters to start with, 16 by the second half, and they all have distinctive personalities and voices. (Hence the importance of the aforementioned chat dialog - it would be difficult keeping everyone straight without those cues.)
And among those characters are increasingly complex webs of relationships, enmities and friendships and friends becoming enemies and enemies becoming friends and love and loyalty and family and incredibly confusing-to-the-fourth-power troll romance, and people who genuinely care about each other in spite of it all (even if they have special ways of showing it, or even if their culture shouldn't really allow it.) (The relationships are especially appealing to me because the majority of the interactions happens online, with some characters only just meeting in person for the first time after being friends for years--as someone who's made some of my best friends thanks to the internet, it rings true to me, how well you can get to know a person even when all you know of them is from written exchanges.)
(Also there is Karkat!! ...I was going to link one of Karkat's signature conversations here. Except that would probably make you hate him. Actually just about anything Karkat ever says would. Oh, Karkat. <3)
So, that's Homestuck. If you're still not sure, I'd suggest going to the beginning and starting to read. The opening is mostly nonsense; the story takes a bit to get going, and you can skim until you get to the first chat logs. I'd recommend going through to the end of Act 1 before you really decide how you feel - that's only a fraction of the full work, but it'll give you a decent impression. (Oh, and I'd try looking at it in different browsers, or else turning off fonts - for some reason the primary fixed-width text is bolded weird and hard for me to read in Firefox, but looks fine in Chrome.)
The brief explanation: [mostly spoiler-free, provided you don't click the links; I mention a few future things but trust me, there's a lot going on and I'm not giving any of the surprises away.] Homestuck is the latest and longest-running story on MSPA (unrelated to previous adventures, none of which I've read.) It's nominally a webcomic, insofar as you have to call it something; it might be easier to think of it as a detailed walk-through to an illustrated text adventure game that doesn't actually exist. It's not particularly interactive (with the exception of a few fun little RPG-style flash mini-games); it's not a game but an unusual narrative device, with the story being told mostly through text-adventure style descriptions and commands, and chat logs.
That's cool and all, I like innovative story-telling techniques, but they aren't worth much if you don't have a story to tell. Which Homestuck's got in spades (also diamonds, hearts, and clubs):
Reasons you shouldn't read Homestuck:
--If you don't like drama getting in your comedy, or comedy getting in your drama, in a big sticky angstbutter-and-crackcolate mess
--If you are highly allergic to reading dialog in chat logs and l33t speak (if you're just not a fan, that's okay; I would much rather read regular dialog, too. But it's necessary to the story and you get used to it.)
--If you're opposed to obscene language (mostly as you'd expect in trolled chats. Though often rather more bizarrely flavored.)
--If you demand chronological, linear storytelling and prompt explanations for bizarre occurrences (Lost has nothing on Homestuck.)
--If you don't have a few spare hours to lose by going to read "a couple of pages" and then not being able to stop hitting the next link
Reasons you should read Homestuck [warning that bolded links lead to spoilery animation, if somewhat incomprehensible out of context]:
--Twisty time-travel and a figure-out-as-you-go plot!
--Awesome music! (non-spoilery music-only link) (This is one of my faves - bgm to this very spoilery animation.)
--Surreal world-building!
--Peculiar symbolism and wild word-play! (it's rare for me to come across English vocabulary I don't know. I think I've picked up about ten new words reading this.)
--Hijinx and shenanigans! (Later in the story a cross-time message board is introduced, so characters can speak to other characters at different points in time - including chatting with their own past and future selves. One char in particular gets into flamewars with himself.)
--The world's most complex relationship schema (Troll romance is...unique. And a major reason why there's so much fic, I suspect. Doesn't hurt that the canon's slash-permissive, since the trolls explicitly do not get why we'd even have a word for homosexuality - they've got too much else to worry about when it comes to 'shipping to bother paying attention to things like gender.)
--And of course the characters!!!
Homestuck manages the trick of having a whole cast of people who aren't necessarily very smart or nice or heroic or even superficially very likable, and making you like and care about them anyway. They're not exactly realistic (for instance, the main cast are all supposed to be 13 years old, which they talk and act like approximately never), but most of them are sympathetic or at least understandable, and you find yourself cheering them on and hoping they come through, or else get their just deserts (...either of which is not guaranteed, I should mention - no spoilers there, but the story's awfully unpredictable and not done yet, so caveats.) They're also impressively well-drawn - not artistically speaking (they appear only as pseudo-sprites for the first half of the series) but in characterization - there are 4 major characters to start with, 16 by the second half, and they all have distinctive personalities and voices. (Hence the importance of the aforementioned chat dialog - it would be difficult keeping everyone straight without those cues.)
And among those characters are increasingly complex webs of relationships, enmities and friendships and friends becoming enemies and enemies becoming friends and love and loyalty and family and incredibly confusing-to-the-fourth-power troll romance, and people who genuinely care about each other in spite of it all (even if they have special ways of showing it, or even if their culture shouldn't really allow it.) (The relationships are especially appealing to me because the majority of the interactions happens online, with some characters only just meeting in person for the first time after being friends for years--as someone who's made some of my best friends thanks to the internet, it rings true to me, how well you can get to know a person even when all you know of them is from written exchanges.)
(Also there is Karkat!! ...I was going to link one of Karkat's signature conversations here. Except that would probably make you hate him. Actually just about anything Karkat ever says would. Oh, Karkat. <3)
So, that's Homestuck. If you're still not sure, I'd suggest going to the beginning and starting to read. The opening is mostly nonsense; the story takes a bit to get going, and you can skim until you get to the first chat logs. I'd recommend going through to the end of Act 1 before you really decide how you feel - that's only a fraction of the full work, but it'll give you a decent impression. (Oh, and I'd try looking at it in different browsers, or else turning off fonts - for some reason the primary fixed-width text is bolded weird and hard for me to read in Firefox, but looks fine in Chrome.)
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Date: 2011-06-11 12:46 am (UTC)I'll definitely check it out now.
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Date: 2011-06-11 01:06 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-06-11 02:01 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-06-11 02:32 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-06-11 02:41 am (UTC)Haha, you describe exactly what happened to me when you last mentioned it.
*bookmarks to check out*
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Date: 2011-06-11 02:59 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-06-30 11:22 pm (UTC)oh god i just read the entire series in
like
a week and a half
holyhopy shit it is so good i don't even know where to startno subject
Date: 2011-06-30 11:41 pm (UTC)Homestuck has all the awesome. ALL OF IT.
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Date: 2011-07-01 12:21 am (UTC)and buy all the music
and
and
and I am like ten seconds away from going back and rereading from the beginning, what is this, I don't have TIME for this!!!
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Date: 2011-07-01 12:26 am (UTC)...I have so far resisted the urge to go back and reread from the start, but it is SO HARD (and considering how much I've gone back and reread anyway, I'm not quite sure it counts...)
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Date: 2011-07-01 12:42 am (UTC)*fails utterly at talking herself out of it*
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Date: 2011-07-01 12:55 am (UTC)(and also it's really fun to read the first conversations with everyone knowing who they are and what they're really like and uh I am really good at this talking out of things thing, aren't I!)
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Date: 2011-07-01 12:58 am (UTC)*CLICKS ON HOMESTUCK LINK*
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Date: 2011-07-01 01:43 am (UTC)(argh now you're tempting meeee~!)
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Date: 2011-07-01 01:49 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-07-01 01:53 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-07-01 01:58 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-06-11 02:55 am (UTC)The other two I didn't know offhand and had to go skimming TVTropes to find (do you know how dangerous mixing TVTropes with Homestuck is? OH MY GOG XD) But I did find them. The second flash link is "Explore" from the Vol. 2 album.
And the one from the super spoilery flash you link is "Savior of the Waking World" from Vol. 5.
My personal musical recommendations: Everything off of AlterniaBound (well, almost. Goddamn I love that album a lot though. Vol. 7 is pretty amazing too. It's almost embarrassing how fast I bought that one XD)
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Date: 2011-06-11 03:11 am (UTC)...TVTropes is the other half of the reason I started reading it. It's pretty much impossible to go ANYWHERE on that site without running into Homestuck these days. ^^;;;; (am resisting urge to go now and check out those links...)
btw FANART!
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Date: 2011-06-11 03:26 am (UTC)(also, if you have the time, I'd recommend giving Problem Sleuth a read too. It's obviously not quite as expansive... although still on the long side, but I find it still has its own ridiculous charm.)
[Edit: At random. I don't know if you ever saw this guy or not. I'm still mostly proud of how quickly I whipped him up. ^^]
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Date: 2011-06-11 03:37 am (UTC)And I've been thinking I should just go and read Problem Sleuth now, just 'cuz...
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Date: 2011-06-11 04:35 am (UTC)If anything, Problem Sleuth just makes you notice the occasional running joke. And there's the fact that the Midnight Crew spawned from a ridiculous series of donation comics. It's funny how everything sort of ties together but not in a way that you need to read everything. There's just occasional things that become funnier if you do.
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Date: 2011-06-11 11:51 am (UTC)<--lost most of the day to this story, and is completely hooked.
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Date: 2011-06-11 08:23 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-06-20 03:11 pm (UTC)And it doesn't get any less surreal - only more and more awesome and involved and whoa.
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Date: 2011-06-20 07:23 pm (UTC)