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Old news I know, but we just watched episode 10 and I just had to say oh noooooo and awwww *sniffle*

My general thoughts so far align with [livejournal.com profile] sholio's in that I'm enjoying the show but wish its crimefighting to interpersonal interaction ratio tipped way more toward the latter. (Arrow and its ilk have spoiled me for that...) But this ep finally delivered on the interpersonal goods and they were so delicious, just about worth the wait. The crying, oh, boys...how are you going to work through this?

...There is this issue that I kind of think Foggy should just go and make better friends, because oh my god Matt is terrible. It's not keeping the vigilante business secret, but the whole superpowers thing, when those superpowers are as invasive as Matt's can be, with his lie-detection, and how much he can actually 'see' - Foggy's sense of betrayal is so justified. And Foggy is a great guy, he could make new friends!

On the other hand, as their whole backstory makes abundantly clear, Foggy is, not just Matt's best and only friend, but pretty much his only human connection, period (especially since he's driven Claire away, and even then she barely knew him, she only got glimpses of his human side.) Matt loses Foggy, and he puts on the mask and never takes it off and is dead in a month. Maybe two if he's lucky, which he is never. (Matt Murdock is such a baby elephant, he can't do anything right. I still love the fight in the second ep in which he's falling over as much as the guys he's punching out ahahah Matt you suck. And then he nearly gets taken out by a ninja. A ninja! In New York! With no mutant turtles in sight! Superheroes, never change.)

(Also, I don't really slash Foggy/Matt but I really hope the fic exists that their first meeting in the dorm room, when Foggy remarks on how good-looking Matt is and then says because it'll attract girls, that Foggy is actually bi and backpedaled because he noticed Matt's reaction to his line. And Matt would perceive Foggy's attraction of course and as a good Catholic boy it would've bothered him, except he's in college now and is not going to be an asshole like that, though it'll take him a lot longer to acknowledge his own feelings...there must be fic like that. Right? Right? Fandom don't fail me.)

Meanwhile poor Karen is going to get back to the office, see the sign in the trash and not know what the hell is going on. I suspect Foggy is going to avoid her. Otherwise he's just going to tell her everything, I can't see him keeping this secret. Or else things will go to hell before she sees anything, and ahhh I wanna know what happens next!

--I admit, I'm mostly invested in the plot only insofar as its personal impact on the characters, like, Kingpin, whatever, he's weird but I don't find him that compelling. And I'm annoyed if Vanessa's whole purpose was to be fridged here, she was given enough story that I was really hoping there was going to be more to her than that.

Looking forward to watching more tomorrow~!

Date: 2015-12-14 01:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sholio
Ohhhhhh yes, episode 10 was pretty much WORTH THE WHOLE SHOW right there. (bb Matt and Foggy! the whole bit where they're wandering around on campus drunk and HUGGING!) You're right about Matt being kind of a terrible friend, though. POOR FOGGY. But Matt is really such a terrible broken cutie as well! And Charlie Cox sells it so well! AUGH! /o\

... they're such a couple of dysfunctional idiots but I love them. XD

Date: 2015-12-14 01:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com
Charlie Cox really does deserve a ton of credit! As good as - umm, whoever is playing Foggy, I keep forgetting his name! - as good as he is at playing the genuinely nice guy sidekick, Charlie Cox is as good at the poor broken woobie...like, Matt's awful with people and he makes his own bed, but you still want someone to wrap a blanket around him and give him a hug. Aaaaaah when he's sitting on the couch saying he has to do this and he's crying because he's basically choosing it over Foggy and friendship and he knows it, oh break my poor easy-to-manipulate fangirl heart why don't you!

...I do want him to grovel. Or something - he needs to make it up to Foggy somehow! And also tell him that it was real, oh, that was so painful, seeing them hanging out and how close they were, and even if Matt was playing his supersenses close to the vest, they didn't actually mean that much (I get the feeling one of the reasons Matt's always liked Foggy is that Foggy is so what-you-see-is-what-you-get, he doesn't have much pretense or an agenda, and so Matt doesn't really know anything about him that Foggy didn't openly tell him anyway.)

(I also give the show credit for setting up the characters well enough that even though it really didn't have that many scenes with Matt and Foggy, what it had was enough to give this ep a lot of emotional impact, you know what they meant to each other even before the flashbacks confirmed it.)

Date: 2015-12-15 01:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sheron.livejournal.com
Oh you did see it! I knew it was around 10-ish or so episode. Clearly I...must go rewatch immediately.

Date: 2015-12-14 01:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alessandriana.livejournal.com
Yessss, this episode was THE BEST. I'm not going to admit how many times I've rewatched the crying confrontation scene.

And yes, there's lots and lots of fic with variations on that theme, though I'm not sure there's one exactly like you describe. But bisexual!Foggy is nearly canon.

Date: 2015-12-14 01:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com
Ahahah I gotta go to bed or I might be rewatching that scene right now...right in the fangirl feels, that!

And yeah, Foggy's opinion of Matt's attractiveness comes up just often enough to make one wonder (it does amuse/intrigue me that you can't actually make Matt oblivious to it - whatever Foggy's true feelings are, Matt knows them, even if the audience doesn't...)

Date: 2015-12-15 01:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sheron.livejournal.com
--I admit, I'm mostly invested in the plot only insofar as its personal impact on the characters, like, Kingpin, whatever, he's weird but I don't find him that compelling.


I love Foggy. And I love the way their whole thing with Matt played out. It's been a while since I watched this show so I only remember around episodes 10-ish things pick up and they "work through" things, but I don't remember exactly when it happens. But I just love that part! (And don't want to spoil it by talking about it until I'm sure you've watched far enough.) And I love the part with Karen. I don't know if you got there yet but I love it.... *unhelpful*

Date: 2015-12-15 02:07 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com
I don't think I've seen the part with Karen or the working through - last I saw Foggy had walked out and Matt was crying on his couch (my heart! my poor fangirl heart!) but I really want to know what comes next (and thanks for not spoiling specifics but enough I'm looking forward to what's coming! :D)

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