another Thursday, another dose of S

[xparrot]

Scrubs is batting two for two. Hysterical to heart-touching in zero point five seconds. Cox/Jordan is one of my very favorite het pairs ever. Just, aww. In their own special ex-spouses way. Also the football group guy-lie slayed me.

Supernatural "Heart" was...well, first of all, it was crossover central. SG-1's Dr. Frasier didn't actually die, she moved to San Francisco and became a mortician! And Lex's not-so-dearly departed ex-wife Helen, oh we did wonder about her - she in fact survived jumping out of the plane, also moved to San Fran, became a...an executive assistant, and got it on with a junior ghostbuster!

Speaking of which, I am calling for a new law to be passed. Specifically the Jared Padalecki Enforced Barechestedness Act, which would make it illegal for Sam Winchester to wear a shirt. Covering up that body? Ought to be a felony. Yow. Holy guacamole. Bringing it out only once a season is not fair!

One issue I had with the episode (fully accepting that this is SPN and I have no right to expect the plot to make sense, and I promise not to harp too much on you, dear show, because you will always and forever deliver us the angst - if not the hugs - but still): umm. So killing her was dramatic and all, and oh Dean your heart breaking for your brother will never stop being pretty. And I get that she doesn't want to become anymore of a murderer, and I actually liked her char well enough; the BotWs in SPN alway feel like people to me, even if they are babes. (And besides, after what she did to Lex? She totally had it coming to her.)

But...in mid-lunar cycle, she managed to make it at least one night without turning. Shouldn't they at least try to investigate why? Before shooting her? Umm? Anyone? Because if she just needs to stay awake at night to avoid freaking out and killing people - then bring on the espressos and leave the silver bullet chambered.


And last but not least, Smallville "Combat". Was so very terrifically much better than last week's. Considering it was a pro-fighting/wrestling ep, I should not be saying this. But seriously. Tom Welling looking gorgeous in black leather, getting artfully bloodied by a super-powered bruiser for like 10 minutes? They could have had this be the whole ep - heck, the whole show, and dude, I would so watch. Especially if you made the bald guy he was fighting Lex! Also in black leather! --Oh wait, they have. Hee. Hey, there's a reason I liked "Zod" (even if that battle is far too short. The fight choreography on this show...rather sucks. Either that or I'm spoiled by too much shounen.)

The thing with the baby did make me wonder. I've been assuming for the last few eps that the pregnancy was totally faked, that Lex was drugging Lana to make her think she was knocked up to shotgun her to the altar. But Lex seemed...surprised by this turn of events. Maybe; it was hard to tell. If the baby was real, if he was using her to incubate some kind of clone (I vote for Bizarro!Clark!) or genetically designed mutant or the like - it would recover "Promise" for me a bit, because Lex would have ulterior motives for wanting Lana. His "desperation" might not have been over winning her hand at all, but for what's in her womb. He even might have been playing Lionel, to make sure he didn't lose her, or more specifically what was in her.

...Yeah, probably not. But I live in hope that somehow that ep can be redeemed.

Oliver is kind of ticking me off (though sorry, jakrar, not to homicidal levels yet...) For one thing, we still haven't seen what the hell they're really doing in 33.1. Previous projects Lex has worked on include trying to end world hunger and designing a vaccine against most deadly viruses. One of those facilities Green Arrow and his merry men are taking down might have the cure for cancer. If they would just provide solid evidence that 33.1 is as evil as the alt rock and spooky lighting implies, then I might get on board with them, but for now I'm inclined to side with Lex.

The other problem is that these terrorist tactics are not only unbecoming to a young superhero, they're stupid. Oliver has Queen Industries, which seems to be, if not as powerful as LuthorCorp, then pretty close. If Ollie was serious about taking down Lex, he should be going for a corporate takeover, hitting 33.1 where any massive organization hurts - the bankbook. But he's having more fun blowing stuff up. Juvenile. Poor Lex. I feel for him, having to deal with these pesky kids when he's trying to save the world.

Meanwhile. Clark! You killed a guy by sort-of accident! Lex just killed a guy by sort-of accident! You're made for each other! Why are you not making out on my screen every week? Damn it. You know, occasionally I think I'm watching the wrong show...(If only I could figure out how to download the torrents for Luthorville...)

Comments

[dogwoodblossom.livejournal.com]

I would watch Luthorville. That would be awesome.

[ladydreamer.livejournal.com]

The thing I really liked about this episode (other than Lois Lane coming out of the closet as a bisexual and Clark getting his face turned into hamburger meat) was that from Lex's perspective, he has all the more reason to think that Clark is a dangerous maniac. Clark is maiming people as he brings them in, and he freaken killed another alien. Moreover, he was hanging out with Oliver Queen, and if Lex has put it together that Ollie is GA (and how couldn't you, with that chin), then Clark is looking pretty dangerous. Lex probably feels like they attacked him first, since... y'know, they never bothered to try diplomacy (except Aquaman, but "ur a tool lolz" isn't really the best way to deal with a Luthor).

Poor Lex. I feel for him, having to deal with these pesky kids when he's trying to save the world.
Ollie's good with arrows, but sometimes I don't find him all that swift. I wonder if he could actually do the corporate thing to take Lex down. And... I don't actually believe there are no casualties at ANY of these sites. Especially if Clark isn't there to push them (Justice).

Lex probably is trying to cure cancer... and AIDS and other problems. There are some places with mutants, but if the fate of the mutants is jail or an insane asylum where they might give you brain damage as a cure or throw you into a fight ring... dunno if taking them to a lab would be that bad. There have to be some of Lex's subjects who are happy to be out of those other places. The fate of metahumans in this America seems fairly precarious. And The Queen's Men aren't helping! I'm imagining the news in all those cities. Explosions like those don't go unnoticed.

And yeah, something I was thinking after letting the ep set in, is that this turn to the dark side, for Clark, just facilitates the Clex. Now he may actually wise up and stop being the BDA, but right now he's putting himself on even ground with Lex morally. It would be a lot easier for them to get together with Clark realizing how hard it actually is to just do the right thing when everything around you is grey.

[xparrot.livejournal.com]

You and me both!

[xparrot.livejournal.com]

You're probably better off just reading the fic. They're less painful and better written ^^; But oh! Lex needs a Bizarro!Clark to adore him...

[ginxy.livejournal.com]

LOL - Luthorville. I'd watch that.

"Tom Welling looking gorgeous in black leather, getting artfully bloodied by a super-powered bruiser for like 10 minutes? They could have had this be the whole ep - heck, the whole show, and dude, I would so watch" - Oh, you're so right there. CK looked top notch in the leather and with the stern-take-no-crap face. Very nice.

I enjoyed this episode as well. Fatality punchin' Clark was just so right on. Now he also has a building ground for what is right and wrong as far as taking care of business.

As for the baby - clearly, Lex slipped something in the 'sparkling cider', made Lana have a miscarriage, they took the baby and put in a test tube or the like to finish growing it etc - A hybred - coming for the season finale - got to be the bizarro superman.

Lana's gonna loose it - it's coming she's married to a monster and she's gonna crack and have to fight back eventually - you can tell that she is not satisfied that she lost the baby - hence that she wanted to see the medical records (which Lex took care of Lex-style).

Hate that we have to wait til April for a new Smallville. grrrr

[xparrot.livejournal.com]

(Hee to Bi-Lois in red vinyl. I'm really far too fond of her ^^) Eek, good point about Lex thinking Clark is all the more dangerous. Makes too much sense. What a web they're weaving...

I don't actually believe there are no casualties at ANY of these sites. Especially if Clark isn't there to push them (Justice).

Hah! I believe there might not be - because of Lex. If you watch "Justice," Lex is saying something about lockdown, "no one gets in or out" - and then he meets Oliver, and a few minutes later everyone is out. All I can interpret from this is that Lex has security protocols in place for very fast evacuation, and that rather than try to capture the terrorists, he got his people out of there before the facility blew. In conclusion - Lex Luthor is a lousy eeevil supervillain. But not a bad boss!

Yeah, considering Clark is so buddy with Ollie, and Ollie is not terribly different from Lex after all...Clark, you already have a billionaire madly in love with you! You don't need another one...

[ginxy.livejournal.com]

A few min later everyone is out because Ollie gave Lex an ultimatium that everyone needs to get out of the building because he's gonna blow it - then Lex orders them out.

LOL @ the fact that Clark has 2 billionaries all into him....but seriously - and LOL @ the bi-Lois in red vinyl - Liked the outfit but it didn't really work well to sneak into a place and get pictures.....

[xparrot.livejournal.com]

A few min later everyone is out because Ollie gave Lex an ultimatium

Exactly my point! Ollie was not issuing this warning over the loudspeakers; he gave it only to Lex. If Lex didn't care about his men, he could have gotten out himself, and risked keeping the guards in, either to try to catch the intruders, or counting on Ollie not blowing up the place with people inside. That he orders the guards out indicates a care for his people. The show would never spin it this way, I realize, but I don't know how else to read it...

[ginxy.livejournal.com]

Ok - I see what you're saying now.

I guess I'll look at it from a corporate pov - having to find a few hundred employees again and covering up their deaths is a lot harder than covering up a simple building explosion.

So yes, I guess I can see that Lex does care for his employees.....lol....good point again there xparrot. I find your insights very enlightening. =)

[xparrot.livejournal.com]

Clark was looking great all ep I must say, being badass suits him well!

I was trying to figure out how much of the miscarriage Lex had planned. Obviously there was something in the cider, but did it possible have an unexpected effect? I wonder mainly because he's burning the files at the end - one would think he would've covered his tracks better than that, if all were going according to plan. But then, this is SV!Lex, and he's just...not very smart. Sigh!

[ginxy.livejournal.com]

And they just can't be the only copies of those files in existance....there has to be a second copy since that original doc was trying to blackmail Lex - he probably had a copy set aside as a back-up but didn't get a chance to beg before Lex 'accidently' killed him.

I personally think that the cider had the exact effect Lex was looking for....but then again maybe Lex's tears weren't for his wife but for the lost experiment......although something tells me that the baby is not gone for good.

And I do think that Lex is gonna try and snag some of Titan's blood to start experimenting on.

Poor Lex, for being an evil genius he doesn't seem to be using all of his potential brain power yet.....soon though I'm thinking.

[tasabian.livejournal.com]

I'm really hoping Lex swiped the baby and it turns out to be Bizarro. But the show doesn't generally allow anyone to have sensible ulterior motives regarding Lana - it's always about being crazy in love with her, YAWN.

Hopefully, the last run of eps will be better. It feels like a long dry spell since "Freak."

[xparrot.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I wish I had more faith in the show, but I really don't. Especially not when it comes to the Lana. I've rarely seen a char who so warps canon around herself, for no clear reason. Siiigh!

[jakrar.livejournal.com]

I actually wasn't that impressed with "Combat." I did like the bit with bisexual Lois flirting (and I say that even though I've detested Lois ever since she proclaimed Lex was evil just because he refused to drop out of the senate race when Jonathan Kent -- surely the world's worst candidate -- decided, purely for spite, to run against him).

Hated the bits with Lana 'mourning' the (real or supposed) baby; she never once gave any indication of truly wanting the kid prior to this episode, and suddenly she's devastated when she's told she miscarried? Obviously an attempt by AlMiles and the writers to retcon Lana as a loving mother-to-be, victimized by Lex's evil machinations. *snorts with derision*

The one really good moment in the episode came when Lex saw the autopsy on Titan, learning that the guy was neither human nor kryptonite-mutant, and began visibly speculating on just who or what might have killed him and what this might mean with regard to possible alien invasion and Lex's attempts to defend against it. *cheers Lex on in his quest to save the human race*

I do love the points you've made with regard to Oliver-the-sadistic-scum-Queen and his terrorist activities against Luthorcorp. As we've repeatedly seen, Lex has many honest, worthwhile projects going, and who knows what Queen and his crew are really destroying, and who they may be killing in the process. (I would so love to see Lex permanently take all those bastards down...! *wistful sigh*)

Finally, I'd have to say that, from my point of view, Clark's killing of Titan was really far more intentional (despite all his post-killing moans to Martha) than Lex's killing of the crooked doctor. Lex just smacked the guy around a bit and then let him go, whereupon he fell and cracked his head and died, which I really don't think Lex foresaw (unless your "Promises to Keep" was precisely right, and Lex deliberately sacrificed the creep to save the world). Clark went into his fight with Titan planning to kill his opponent, without even trying to first negotiate with him. Granted, Clark hadn't expected the guy to die right that moment from falling on his own spike, but he clearly had intended to keep fighting until the guy was dead, and he got just what he wanted. Then, afterwards, he whimpered to Martha to get the reassurance he knew she'd give so he wouldn't feel as guilty as he knew he ought to. (Yes, I see SV's Clark as an enormous hypocrite. What else is new?)

*heavy sigh* Please tell me there are better episodes coming up...?

[xparrot.livejournal.com]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I wouldn't call "Combat" a good episode. It just wasn't "Promise", thank everything!

(I do have to confess that I am one of the few Lois fangirls, I quite like her, especially now when she's openly bi the only character not totally miserable and pathetic. *shrug* I know people find her annoying but she genuinely amuses me. And she has better reason to dislike Lex than most of them, seeing as she never saw him at his best.)

Lana, thankfully, I can cheerfully ignore now that Lex has gone back to manipulating and using her rather than being annoyingly shmoopy with her. I just chuckle wickedly at their scenes and try to figure out if Lex is grimacing because he's having to touch her irritatingly fragile and doll-like form, or because he's trying to hide his evil smirk. Either way, a win! (I was also surprised that I actually found her pretty in the last scene, until I realized it was because she was blessedly without makeup. What is with the clown-face on this show? KK is quite lovely on her own, I'll admit that, but the way they make her up lately is freakish, and I don't think it's just because I detest her char so fiercely...)

I thought Clark and Lex's manslaughter cases are pretty comparable: Lex maybe didn't mean to kill Langston that way, but he did feel he had to kill him (there's not many other ways to handle blackmail) and Clark wasn't meaning to kill Titan that way, but he did feel he had to kill him (also Clark was fighting with a 50% percent chance of losing and knew it; definitely a bit self-destructive if not totally suicidal)...in conclusion, they're perfect for each other and ought to be making it like minks! Please? Please??? I am so watching the wrong show...
Besides, Clark better get over his guilt, however he can - Clark guilting is at his absolutely worse. I'm convinced that his crazy accusations against Lex in 3rd season are backlash from his (Clark's) screwup in "Asylum", he can't get over his guilt every time he sees Lex and is looking for any way to handle it. Though I had more patience with him then because he was still only a teen; he's growing up now and really needs to get a grip.

No new eps for a month, but I'm dying to see/terribly anxious about "Nemesis." Could be the best ep of the season but has the potential of raining on my Lex-terpretation parade...

[jakrar.livejournal.com]

True, "Combat" was better than "Promise." (I'm still debating with myself as to whether "Promise" is the worst SV episode yet, or merely among the very worst. *ponders*)

And she has better reason to dislike Lex than most of them, seeing as she never saw him at his best.

Only if Lois hasn't been paying attention. Long before she ever came to town, I'd assume Chloe told her about the hostage situation at the Luthorcorp plant, and how she and her father (among others) made it out alive only because Lex traded himself for the hostages. And one of the first things Lois discovers after she gets to town is that Chloe and her father are still alive because Lex had helped save them from Lionel's death-trap, and kept them safely hidden until the trial. So that's at least twice Lois must know of that Lex has saved her beloved cousin Chloe and her beloved uncle Gabe, and one of those times was at the very real risk of losing his own life. Then there was Lex's attempt to help Lois' little sister, who promptly stole Lex's car and his money -- yet Lex apparently never tried to have her prosecuted, and never bothered pressuring Lois or her father to pay him back. All in all, I'd say Lois had damn good reason to be grateful to Lex, and to think well of him...yet as soon as Jonathan Kent decided to run against him (without even knowing where Lex stood on any of the issues!), she seemed to expect Lex to drop out of the race, and repeatedly and publicly villified him for not immediately doing so. Which, in my eyes, makes her as ungrateful a bitch as her cousin Chloe.

Besides, Clark better get over his guilt, however he can - Clark guilting is at his absolutely worse.

Actually, I'd like to see him guilt a little more about the way he's mistreated Lex.

I'm convinced that his crazy accusations against Lex in 3rd season are backlash from his (Clark's) screwup in "Asylum", he can't get over his guilt every time he sees Lex and is looking for any way to handle it.

Now, that is an intriguing way of looking at it. Hmmmm....

in conclusion, they're perfect for each other and ought to be making it like minks!

We agree perfectly on this one. *eg*

[jakrar.livejournal.com]

WORD!!! *gives you a standing ovation*

[xparrot.livejournal.com]

For sheer character assasination, I vote "Promise" as the worst. In terms of worse produced or scripted, there might be others (I haven't actually watched a complete ep from 1-4 seasons, so have a hard time judging. Also I operate under the good Lex scene = good ep principle, no matter what else happens ^^)

Agree to disagree about Lois? Because I think Chloe is a far more ungrateful bitch. We don't know if Chloe ever told Lois about the plant hostage situation, or what Chloe told her about it - she could have spun it against Lex's favor (conspiracy-oriented Chloe might well believe Lex knew about Level 3). Also I don't know how much Lois knows about Lex saving Chloe? Does she ever get the full story there, or does she thinnk it was a witness protection thing? Chloe is in danger directly because of Lex, so Lois has got reason to be suspicious.
Lex helping Lucy is the big one...(though that ep is so weird characterization-wise that I can't take it seriously. I mean, I love the Clexiness of it, but it's out of left field...)

Jonathan runs against Lex because one of his best friends asks him to, that's not entirely personal. And he presumably knows what party Lex is (well, if they have parties in the SV-verse, they're very cute with their no-donkeys-or-elephants game ^^) Meanwhile Lois gets snippy with Lex because he insults her personally. It's petty - but she admits it's petty, which is better than most of the chars can manage. (And she seems to be on the opposite party as Lex, and people get crazy about politics...) She's also, I think, being influenced by Chloe, who is somewhat anti-Lex by 5th season for reasons I'm not clear about, and since Lois only sees Lex in s4-6 slick billionaire mogul mode (even when he's helping Lucy) I can understand her suspicions. And she doesn't seem to think Lex is the antichrist, just that he's corrupt...(if she gets worse about this, blame Ollie for poisoning her against him)

Chloe confuses me a lot more, I rather want to smack her these days. She's terrified of being a mutant herself but it never crosses her mind that Lex might have reason to be scared himself? Say what? Geeze...(and yeah, she's part of Clark's cabal, so follows the whole Lex-wanted-Zod thing. Still.)

Fundamentally? I like Lois because she is a total 180 from Lana - she's cheerful and friendly and upbeat, and she doesn't give up on her friends and doesn't screw with people's heads. And she speaks her mind, which in a show of compulsive liars is a commendable quality.

...Errm, sorry, didn't mean to go off here! ^^; See, this is how I get about chars I like...just imagine how long this rant would be if you didn't like Lex!

[xparrot.livejournal.com]

Actually, I'd like to see him guilt a little more about the way he's mistreated Lex.

(almost forgot) I've probably said this before, but OH YES. I live for the day Clark suddenly realizes this is all damn fault, but it will be too late for him to apologize and make up for it. The trouble is, plot-wise, Clark still can't have this revelation, because Lex can still be redeemed. Maybe with whatever's up with the baby Lex'll have crossed the line he can't come back over, and then Clark can reach for him. Until Lex crosses the point of no supervillain return, they can't risk Clark pulling him from his destined path.

...

...Stupid destiny!

[jakrar.livejournal.com]

We don't know if Chloe ever told Lois about the plant hostage situation, or what Chloe told her about it - she could have spun it against Lex's favor (conspiracy-oriented Chloe might well believe Lex knew about Level 3).

Chloe being the eager budding reporter she was at that point, I can't imagine she wouldn't have given Lois an enthusiastic and detailed accounting of the incident. Though, admittedly, Chloe might have assumed Lex was as guilty of provoking the situation as Lionel was, and thus deliberately downplayed Lex's heroism. *growls at Chloe, and everyone else who never bothered thanking or crediting Lex for his courage and sacrifice on that day*

Also I don't know how much Lois knows about Lex saving Chloe? Does she ever get the full story there, or does she thinnk it was a witness protection thing?

Since Lois' father was also involved, I would think either Chloe or the General would have mentioned Lex's part in finding Lionel's bomb in the safehouse and arranging to get Chloe and Gabe out safely while making it look as though they'd been killed. But, again, very few people properly credit Lex for his 'non-evil' acts, so it might be that Lois was left thinking her father alone was to thank for her cousin's and uncle's survival. *growls some more*

Chloe is in danger directly because of Lex, so Lois has got reason to be suspicious.

Here I have to vigorously disagree: Chloe was willing to testify against Lionel, despite the danger, not because she wanted to help Lex, but because she'd been stupid enough to make a deal with Lionel and then renege on her promises, and she was desperate to get Lionel off her back. She didn't risk her life for Lex's sake; she risked it to save herself and her father. But, once again, she might not have been honest about any of that with Lois. *snarls*

Lex helping Lucy is the big one.

And, yet again, no one ever thanks Lex for trying to help. Or for not siccing the cops on her thieving ass after she's ripped him off. *gnashes teeth*

Jonathan runs against Lex because one of his best friends asks him to, that's not entirely personal. And he presumably knows what party Lex is

Jonathan is visibly horrified the instant he finds out Lex is running, long before he knows if Lex is running as a member of the opposing party or as another member of the same party or as an independent or what, and long before he has any idea of what Lex proposes to do if he gets into office. Jonathan is appalled at the very idea of Lex Luthor in a position of political power, and that sounds pretty personal to me. *shreds carpet*

Meanwhile Lois gets snippy with Lex because he insults her personally.

Lex only insults Lois after she has repeatedly and gratuitously insulted him, so I don't think she has any legitimate grounds for complaint there. And you'll note that, when she tells Chloe Lex insulted her, she never mentions her own part in starting the verbal skirmish. *savages curtains*

I think Chloe is a far more ungrateful bitch.

Well, if you put it that way, I can see your point. *eg* Still doesn't make me like Lois, but then I am a bit overprotective of Lex. *hugs much-maligned Lex, on whom we do agree.*

[jakrar.livejournal.com]

I live for the day Clark suddenly realizes this is all damn fault, but it will be too late for him to apologize and make up for it.

I long for that day! Unfortunately, with AlMiles in charge, I fear that Clark's revelation will never come. (On screen, at least. We'll have to be content with fanfic.)

...Stupid destiny!

Agreed. *kicks destiny*

[naye]

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah, they were not much with the making sense this episode, where they? Seriously, guys! "And one night, you'll get away..." What, no! Here's the deal: spend a couple of weeks with Maddy, and help her build her Werewolf-proof Moon-chamber, or something. Timelock! In at sundown (unless she starts not wanting in, and then she is a monster, and they can come back and kill her), out a safe number of hours later, and - problem solved! No keys, no having to rely on someone else, just - if you don't wanna run around town killing people, there are ways around it. Especially if you're just a warewolf for a couple of nights a month! It's not like Sammy, who is - as he rightly pointed out - carrying his monsterness with him at all times.

Phew. Now that I've got that off my chest -

YESS! Let's enforce the JPEBA now! I was screaming at the camera to pan out, and get rid of that annoying thing that kept getting in the way of that chest. That wonderful, wonderful, gorgeous... mmmmm~. Sorry, what was I saying? The man is built like a god - we should get to enjoy it more often! Yes.

And also AWWWW, Dean crying the single tear, and the BASTARDS, using Silent Lucidity, which can make me cry even without angsty scenes in the background. (Seriously, I've loved that song for years, and it gets to me like few other things do...) Aww. Sammy. Aww, LACK OF HUG WHERE IS THE HUG GIMME HUG HUG HUG HUG!!!

Oh, and - hey, wouldn't it be cool if this was an angst-demon plot? Not that I'm thinking it is, but if it was softening Sam up to be more receptive to guilt later on...? I'd like that! Maddy coming back, asking why Sam killed her? That'd be neat!

Now, GIMME THE HUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!

*snuggles*

(Will watch Scrubs later.)

[naye]

Awwwwww, and - noooooooooo! Scrubs was fantastic this week, and the end - wow. Ow. This show packs such a punch. I laughed out loud at some of the stuff ("our nanny was a racist thief!"), and then there was Jordan/Cox sweetness, and Kelso got a dog, and then Laverne...! Ouch. Not TBC, want next ep now!

[sholio]

But...in mid-lunar cycle, she managed to make it at least one night without turning. Shouldn't they at least try to investigate why? Before shooting her? Umm? Anyone? Because if she just needs to stay awake at night to avoid freaking out and killing people - then bring on the espressos and leave the silver bullet chambered.

*snort* Yeah ... I had more or less that reaction -- because yeah, lovely angst and all, but I just wasn't convinced of the necessity of killing her. I mean, considering that she's fully conscious and aware and harmless the vast majority of the time, I could think of a half-dozen ways to neutralize the threat. If it's as simple as staying up all night, then really, problem solved! Or maybe you have to take Valium a few nights a week to keep yourself knocked out. Or build yourself a vault -- and it wouldn't even have to be a GOOD vault; a closet with a bureau in front of it held her, after all! Or take a few days' vacation every month and visit the wilds of Canada. Sure, there's a chance she'd slip up, but is it really worth it to throw her life away on that chance?

Shooting her in cold blood in her non-wolf phase just didn't seem like *them*. Maybe if she was mostly wolf with brief periods of lucidity, but the other way around -- nope, I just don't really buy it.

Nice angst, though. Dean with the tear ... sniffle. The thought crosses my mind that, in addition to the obvious parallels with what he might have to do to Sam, he's got to be insanely worried about the way this is going to affect Sam's state of mind -- because considering Sam's fears about himself, how close is he at this point to pulling a trigger on himself?

And where's my comfort, anyway? Ending the episode on the gunshot and the tear is dramatic and all, but ALL THAT COMFORT POTENTIAL! *bangs head against wall*

[lukita.livejournal.com]

Well I kinda like "Promise" because of Lionel but the character assassination pulled the whole episode down.

I'm not exactly a fan of Ollie since I still think he's a bully in the worse way, what I really don't like about him is that he thinks he's changed and doing the right thing. Though I totally get where future!Lex is coming from if costumed people runs around and blow things up while calling themselves heros.

I'm disappointed in Clark that he's not doing research on his own and instead rely on Ollie's tips, for someone who's afraid of people using him for his powers, he's not being very smart. Martha was also talking about Lex in that conversation about love, notice she's was pretty much gender neutral about the whole thing. XD

[xparrot.livejournal.com]

Yeah, if we knew for sure what Chloe told Lois about Lex it would help, but we don't, so I can't really fault her one way or another...

Lex only insults Lois after she has repeatedly and gratuitously insulted him, so I don't think she has any legitimate grounds for complaint there.

Maybe not totally solid grounds, but Lex is way, stupidly out of line in that Talon scene (even if he is entertaining). He is a politician in a public place, running for office! You do not insult potential voters, Lex! Or even the friends of potential voters, whatever the provocation. Even if he knows that she's part of the Kent club and wouldn't ever be voting for him - public place, reporters around. He doesn't need that kind of bad publicity. Someone who rises to the bait that easily, I don't know if I'd want them in office either...(I still think that Lois insults him mainly due to political party divisiveness, having witnessed plenty of smalltown politics growing up that's definitely what it sounds like...petty insults, while not politically savvy, are pretty common in the political arena...)

[xparrot.livejournal.com]

Heh, yeah. I was arguing the same thing about locking her up, though I still think the fact that she didn't go were at all one night is an even bigger argument! Admittedly they were also shooting people the moment they found out they were demon-plague-infected, without spending more than a couple minutes looking for a cure...a little trigger-happy, our boys ^^;;;;

JPEBA!! OH yes. There was not a good enough angle on that! yergh! darn it! not fair!!

"Silent Lucidity"? Hmmm, don't know the song. Did like the sound of it, but...

Don't think it was ol' yellow eyes' plot, but that's not saying he couldn't bring Maddy back, at leaasat in a vision...doesn't have to be his plot to use circumstances to his devious advantage!

And huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuug. Please. That is all.

[xparrot.livejournal.com]

Yeah, wasn't it great? It's been awfully erratic this season (5th too) but when it's on, it is on. Aww. (don't believe they can make me "Aww" at Kelso. But - doggy! Aww!)

[xparrot.livejournal.com]

Maybe if she was mostly wolf with brief periods of lucidity,

Yeah, this would have been sad and tragic, rather than a bit...er...silly. ^^; Or they could have found evidence that it was getting worse? That eventually she'd be wolf all the time, and this was preserving her humanity while she still had it? It wouldn't have been that difficult to write around...
Though it is kind of them, to shoot first (well, after a few seconds' consideration) and ask questions later..."Croatoan"? ^^;;;

Dean's tear, I couldn't tell if that was him thinking about having to do this to Sam, or him just empathizing with Sam that much...either way. Man. Oh, show. The angst...!

(And the lack of comfort! That ending totally reminded me of an SG-1 ending, BAM plot is over (literal on the "bam" too ^^;) and resolution? we don't need no stinkin' resolution! I rather liked the gut-punchy-ness of it, really (besides, any resolution would lead to a discussion of why this in retrospect was an unnecessary murder, so they couldn't have really done it...) but I'm hoping we'll get emotional fallout later. Knowing SPN I'm pretty sure we willl *loves on show muchly*

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The trouble I have with Lionel is that much as I adore him, he's not supposed to be the archvillain now. Lex should be settling into that role, not still slapped around by his dad...unless he was manipulating Lionel, and I'm still not totally sure he wasn't...

I'm disappointed in Clark that he's not doing research on his own and instead rely on Ollie's tips, for someone who's afraid of people using him for his powers, he's not being very smart.

! Good point! I didn't think of it like that but yeah...(besides, after being bitten by billionaires turning on him before - Lex, Lionel, and that guy in "Fade" - you think he'd be more suspicious of Ollie anyway...)

Martha was also talking about Lex in that conversation about love, notice she's was pretty much gender neutral about the whole thing

!!!! I didn't notice this! Now I want to watch it again! heeee~! (I will totally take my Clex wherever the heck I can unearth it...)

[sholio]

That ending totally reminded me of an SG-1 ending, BAM plot is over (literal on the "bam" too ^^;) and resolution? we don't need no stinkin' resolution!

*laughs* I was totally thinking that after watching the episode, actually -- that was a typical Stargate ending! (Although, in honesty, SGA has been much better about that this season. *shoves shiny eps towards xparrot*) Although you're right that this was probably not the best episode to actually have a tag scene, because then you start getting into the moral issues and boy, are there moral issues...

Though it is kind of them, to shoot first (well, after a few seconds' consideration) and ask questions later..."Croatoan"? ^^;;;

Er ... that's a good point, there. I'd been thinking more in terms of episodes like the one with the vegetarian vampires, or with Meg, where they were trying to get the demon out of her -- episodes where they'd been willing to think in terms of shades of gray.

The general effect was to make the moral quandary in this episode feel very forced -- and nice as it is to watch the boys being all angsty and empathetic, there just wasn't any need for it ... *sigh*

I expect the emotional stakes to keep ramping up from here, though. We're getting close to the finale, and as tense and emotional as the whole season has been, I'm expecting it to go out with a WOW.

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The trouble I have with Lionel is that much as I adore him, he's not supposed to be the archvillain now. Lex should be settling into that role, not still slapped around by his dad...unless he was manipulating Lionel, and I'm still not totally sure he wasn't...

The way I see Lionel is that he's manipulating the board right now because he knows where all the pieces are. While we have no idea what his agenda are, he's the only character who could do anything plot wise. Lex is of course going to take the Lionel piece out later, but right now Lionel is useful to Lex. One is LuthorCorp and the other is that Lex knows Lionel was chin deep with the Zod/alien invasion affairs.

you think he'd be more suspicious of Ollie anyway...

The break down of communication between Lex and Clark really hurts their relationship, especially when Clark believes what other people (who he knows for all of two episodes) say about Lex when he should know better. Also, for a budding reporter he's not asking a lot of 'whys' he's more or less accepting things as he was told.

I will totally take my Clex wherever the heck I can unearth it...

Yeah, watching the episode through Clex goggles.

[naye]

Why why why can't they try to make sense? It hurts me when they do cool, angsty stuff and then it feels half stupid because it's DUMB to shoot people first and try to solve their problems later.

Yeah, no, it's not a plot by ol' yellow eyes, but what about the other demons? The crossroad demon was demon first, and then started taunting Dean - what about being all human first (Meg passed, didn't she? but then the audience knew, so...), and then showing up as a vengeful demon? It'd be fun! That's all I'm saying. I don't think they'd do that, because the episode ended on BAM, not on something more sinister, and there was no hint of blackeye-itis, but. It'd totally save the failing logic for me! (Because she's an evil demon and her having Sam kill her was a good way of breaking his spirit!)

Ohh, must bring you some Queensrÿche, then! They're one of my favourite bands, and Silent Lucidity is one of my favourite songs ever. (Except it's a happy song! It's on the C part of H/C, which, I have to say, SPN isn't very good at getting to...)

Hush now, don't you cry
Wipe away the teardrop from your eye
You're lying safe in bed
It was all a bad dream
Spinning in your head
Your mind tricked you to feel the pain
Of someone close to you leaving the game of life

See now why I was going "OH DEMON PLOT NOT REAL! :D"?

And also, later in the song...


I - will be watching over you
I - am gonna help you see it through
I - will protect you in the night
I - am smiling next to you...

This would make a great Winchester H/C song!

...must upload it now.

[naye]

I agree, and I'm glad to see them hit this kind of high. And also - I was glad to realize it's so rare for any of them to be in danger. Not - okay, so the fangirl in me wants more hurt and worry and such, yes! But the other hospital/doctor shows I've watched (way back when...), it was always the doctors' families and friends getting into trouble, each and every episode, and by the end of it, I felt it's probably better not to know any doctors, because that's when you'll be in real trouble.

Kelso and the so-ugly-it's-cute dog was very much aww! (And I liked the continuity of him sitting on that bench!) And Cox reluctantly coming to respect Laverne's way of coping with the hospital. And Cox and Jordan. Awwww! ♥

[naye]

Queensrÿche - Silent Lucidity.

And the full lyrics:

Hush now, don't you cry
Wipe away the teardrop from your eye
You're lying safe in bed
It was all a bad dream
Spinning in your head
Your mind tricked tou to feel the pain
Of someone close to you leaving the game of life
So here it is, another chance
Wide awake you face the day
Your dream is over...or has it just begun?
There's a place I like to hide
A doorway that I run through in the night
Relax child, you were there
But only didn't realize it, and you were scared
It's a place where you will learn
To face your fears, trace the years
And ride the whims of your mind
Commanding in another world
Suddenly, you hear and see
This magic new dimenison
I - will be watching over you
I - am gonna help you see it through
I - will protect you in the night
I - am smiling next to you...in Silent Lucidity
If you open your mind to me
You won't rely on open eyes to see
The walls you built within
Come tumbling down, and a new world will begin
Living twice at once you learn
You're safe from pain in the dream domain
A soul set free to fly
A round trip journey in your head
Master of illusion, can you realize
Your dream's alive, you can be the guide but...
I - will be watching over you
I - am gonna help you see it through
I - will protect you in the night
I - am smiling next to you...

Enjoy! ♥

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Sorry, I didn't get a chance to d/l until this moment, 'net was down when I got the email alert ^^;

Anyway! Umm, are these lyrics supposed to be a little creepy or is it me? Which is really the dream? because it sort of sounds like it's saying that it's mostly about living in a dream world? Your dream is over...or has it just begun? Isn't it like a ghost watching over someone? or... ^^;

(rats, I want new SPN! don't wanna waaaait!)