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A few brief words. The ep itself didn't quite work for me - echoing others on my flist, Jen's transition from innocent girl to crazed monster was unconvincingly abrupt; it's not that it was totally implausible so much as it felt like we were missing a couple hours of character development somewhere. And I called the Doctors' switching shoes about the moment the shoes were mentioned (though I did enjoy the fun of the duo Doctors, hee!) Was also confused by the self-sacrifice at the end; why did they have to be the ones who stayed behind, other than for plot purposes? Couldn't the not-Flesh!Doctor have just screwdrivered the monster and then stepped into the TARDIS and be off? Since the end made it quite clear that the melting effect is relatively harmless for not-Flesh flesh... (Okay, I admit that's a pet peeve, the forcing of a noble sacrifice for plot purposes. Especially in situations where it's obvious that the main chars would've gotten out unscathed and the only reason anyone dies is for the drama.)

Re: the monster - someone watching Carpenter's The Thing, eh? (hey, if you're going to go creepy you might as well poach from a master!)

And then, the end...the twist of Amy having actually been in a Flesh-suit was clever (and it's rather a useful technique, really, if you want to abduct someone's body but don't want anyone to know you've abducted them - even the abductee themselves!) and I'm curious what enemies could be powerful enough to have been transmitting her consciousness across both space & time. (And when was she abducted? Before she first started feeling morning sickness in the first episode...? Is this why she & Rory were inexplicably at home at the start, rather than in the TARDIS?) Was a little disappointed that Rory listened to the Doctor and stepped away, because I'd have expected him to be more loyal to Amy than that (especially when the Doctor is making it pretty clear that he's been hiding things from them). And then the end...arrrrgh. Okay, I get it, sci-fi writers, that human beings are mammals who have live births is an awe-inspiring concept, and that the female body can support a parasitic fetus for 9 months is one of the many things that makes women so freakish and incomprehensible - but really, haven't you explored this concept enough? Can we take a break from it? Just for a little while?



I can count the number of times I've seen a not-freakish pregnancy in genre shows on one hand - twice that I can think of, Teyla in SGA (and she still ended up strapped to a table, so it's only borderline - but at least the kid wasn't artificially impregnated but came from good old-fashioned consensual sex, and was a perfectly ordinary baby once born) and Fox in Gargoyles (who did have significant family problems after the baby was born, but a 100% normal, healthy, abduction-free pregnancy and birth.) Really, it's not that there's anything wrong with having an unusual insemination, or pregnancy, or birth, but it'd be nice to see it treated as a normal biological process for once, rather than always the stuff of nightmares.

ETA: B5 has another borderline case, though it's not fully explored at any rate...

ETA2 from [livejournal.com profile] friendshipper: Keiko O'Brien in TNG! She wasn't a main character so I'm not totally counting it, but it was a completely ordinary pregnancy and only standard TV shenanigans with the emergency birth, nothing sci-fi or supernatural. ...That was going on 20 years ago now (and her second pregnancy on DS9 did not go so simply). Come ON, TV...!

(At least One Piece's abnormal pregnancy was entirely the woman's choice - yay for agency!)

Date: 2011-05-30 09:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mis-mariposas.livejournal.com
I actually think the thing with Rory was an interesting choice of character development. The whole time Rory has been with the Doctor he hasn't really been a companion to the Doctor, he's been there for AMY who just happens to be with the Doctor. I think this is the first time he really truly acted like a companion, which is to say he put his faith in the Doctor even though it made no sense. He did hesitate though, and yes it was a really scary jarring moment because his entire world has always been about Amy.

I'm actually really interested to see how Rory and the Doctor interact with Amy gone. I know we had the time earlier with the silents, but Rory was also viewing the Doctor as a rival for Amy's affection at that time, which he isn't now. Also, Amy's voice was present and now there's no connection at all.

As to why the Doctor didn't explain things and just made cryptic statements that freaked everyone out: maybe he was trying to not tip off the people on Amy's end before he broke the connection? He, and we, have no way of knowing how much they know about what's going on with Amy's mind, so maybe he said things that would make sense once the connection was broken to Amy, but wouldn't immediately raise specifc red flags.

I'm rambling, but that's my 2 cents.

Date: 2011-05-30 09:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mis-mariposas.livejournal.com
Although I don't see why the Doctor couldn't have soniced the flesh while Rory was standing by it.

Date: 2011-05-31 07:16 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com
Yeah, the thing is, I've been wanting to see more of a connection between Rory and the Doctor - and I am curious to see how they're like together without Amy! - but I wish there'd been more of it before this? Like, I wish we'd first seen Rory trusting the Doctor in a situation that didn't require him betraying Amy. --Or, otherwise, a sign that Rory himself had started doubting that Amy was really Amy; I could've believed that, that if Rory was already feeling something was off about her, and then the Doctor confirmed it, he'd listen to the Doctor. But this way I hard time buying it; it feels OOC to me. YMMV, obviously. ^^

He, and we, have no way of knowing how much they know about what's going on with Amy's mind, so maybe he said things that would make sense once the connection was broken to Amy, but wouldn't immediately raise specifc red flags.

Hmm, I hope this is the case...(though him breaking the connection deliberately like that is bound to raise red flags already, one would think, at least let them know he's onto them...so why couldn't he have told Amy a bit more?)

And yeah, I was wondering myself why Rory had to step away, rather than just having Ganger!Amy melt in his arms. Other than for dramatic effect, of course!

Date: 2011-06-05 05:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] michelel72.livejournal.com
The only reason I can think of to have Rory step away (other than bad plotting/CGI convenience) is if Rory is plastic Flesh as well. Which would still be bad plotting, because position didn't save the Flesh!Doctor from the melting signal (which, as you point out, was itself bad plotting since there was no reason to set that scene up anyway). This episode gives me a headache. And that's not even mentioning the things I've seen passing reference to about the most recent episode, since I'm trying to stick to the US schedule. If what I saw was accurate, barf.

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