on current HS updates & crossovers from hell

[xparrot]

Yeah, I'll get off this eventually. For now, regarding the most recent update:

- ahhhhh I...I...I don't even know what to feel, I was 95% positive she was going to come through - and maybe she would've if SS hadn't been beating the clock (XDDDDD) but...but...oh, Vriska, I never figured out how I felt about you, and now...

...Though how permanent is death anyway, considering the dream bubbles and how many characters we've seen after...?

...and then what about this conversation, which I think is Karkat from the future (since we haven't seen him & Jade start concocting the meeting-plan yet on the main(ish) timeline) - in which he implies Vriska is still alive, since he's freaking out about romancey things happening in person? ...though if Vriska is dead he could possibly be trying to spare John's feelings in a special Karkat way...?

Meanwhile how is everyone left going to fare against Gamzee, without the help of a god-tier player (Aradia~!)??

And meanwhile meanwhile WHAT ABOUT DAVE & JADE OH MY GOG!!!! Is Bec Noir still going to be all GOOD DOGGY BEST FRIEND to Jade or is he over that?? Because Jade doesn't have a dream-life to lose. But this might explain why Dave never makes godtier, if he loses his dream-life now...



In conclusion I picked a VERY STRESSFUL TIME to start reading this thing 0_0;;;

(also someone on my flist who's seen Durarara!! needs to read Homestuck, or else someone who's read Homestuck needs to watch DRRR!!, because someone else has to appreciate the unbridled terror amazing crossover OTP that would be Izaya & Vriska trolling one another (shifting between redrom and blackrom and no one knows which is scarier and either way the world is probably going to end). And John & Mikado could chat nicely and save the world from them, and Dave & Masaomi could have a coolkid-off, and Rose & Anri could discuss struggling with darkness. And Shizuo and Equius could commiserate on being STRONG and Dotachin and Bro probably already hang together in some transdimensional cafe and really this needs to happen okay?)

Comments

[hyoutan.livejournal.com]

...thank you for giving me a wonderful reason to read Homestuck....because now that there's crossover potential, I'm definitely going to!

[xparrot.livejournal.com]

XDXDXD I don't know if anyone's ever done a crossover, but it really would be perfect! especially since the chars of both 'verses spend so much time online...

[shayera.livejournal.com]

LOOK AT ME IM TROLLING YOU BACKWARDS THROUGH TIME

Okay, my Homestuck marathon has made me weird. ^^;;

And now I'm going on to talk to you about the points your making...

Vriska is dead, although that doesn't necessarily mean we won't see her again, like you pointed out... And then - if it weren't for the broken clock - the DEAD sound effect (?) doesn't mean much. John got a DEAD when Jack killed him last time, didn't he? But there is a pretty good case going for Vriska's death being Just, too, so yeah.

And I'm not sure what I feel about her either. Except I'm sad that she's dead. :(

It's possible that Jade and Karkat has been in cahoots with each other for a while in Karkat's timeline now, offscreen. So Vriska could still have been alive when he made that conversation with John and Dave? If he was chatting with Jade while he and Sollux was cowering in the lab. On the other hand, I don't know. You make a good point.

And I second your opinion (from the other post) that an animation telling us how Karkat dealt with Gamzee would be awesome. But maybe won't happen.

And and and Dave got revived-by-Dream-Self according to Karkat but Jack will spare Jade again y/y? ^^;

You crossover idea is A THING OF BEAUTY and needs to happen! Izaya & Vriska together would be a horrorterror in itself, wouldn't it? XDD

[xparrot.livejournal.com]

Yaaaaay someone else to talk Homestuck about~! Because yeah, in case the constant mentions haven't made clear, I'm a little tiny obsessed right now... ^^;

It's possible that Jade and Karkat has been in cahoots with each other for a while in Karkat's timeline now, offscreen.

Judging by the most recent updates, this definitely seems to be the case! I had kind of lost track of where the trolls were on their timeline relative to their kids. ...actually am wondering if (past)Karkat might be talking to Jade soon (on her timeline) to talk her through the killing Dave stuff he just mentioned, and that leads to the hatching of their plot?

(Though I'm still wondering if Karkat's amazing shipping-diagram conversation hasn't happened yet, because John just told him he does it, so he might go do it now...? predestined chats sure are confusing!!)(along similar lines I realized that this conversation sets up Karkat's first (from his POV) conversation with John in which John declares himself not a homosexual - he was just quoting Karkat there!)

Dave got revived-by-Dream-Self according to Karkat but Jack will spare Jade again y/y?

I think so yes, considering Jack just let Jade kiss Dave like that without doing anything? (except now no one has any dream-self extra lives left and who's gonna deliver the tumor to the Green Sun!? I don't want anybody else dying!!)(unless in the end it doesn't take. Which I'm really hoping it won't but not sure; I have NO IDEA where this thing is going...)

Aaaaand if I could write either DRRR or HS I would totally be writing that x-over right now; but I've never written chat dialogue before, it kind of scares me ^^;

[shayera.livejournal.com]

Yes, and your obsession turned out to be contagious! O_O

The way the story is jumping back and forth it can be really hard to tell where people are in relation to each other, especially since the "main" troll timeline and the "main" human timeline doesn't seem to be completely circumstantially simultaneous (I can't believe I just typed that and understand what it means!).

Jade ought to get that chat from Karkat about kissing Dead!Dave soon, yeah... But we're in Doc Scratch mode right now, so I wonder how/if we will see it?

(Speaking of which, I laughed so hard when Scratch started talking about the reader's past and present selves being with him at the same time. XD)

John and Karkat are quoting each other! I love how that happens. And as for troll romance, in Karkat's first conversation with John, John knows all about Blackrom, and we haven't actually seen that being explained to him, have we? The quadrants were mentioned, but not much else.

Karkat's shipping diagram seems to have happened when both Terezi and Vriska is alive... Though you're right that it was a bit vague whether Karkat had made it yet when John was talking to him about it.

And Rose's suicide mission... Remember she mentioned she wasn't coming back, and Dave freaked out about it? And now there are no more extra lives, and Rose or Dave is supposed to kill themselves for this? I'm sort of wondering how they will decide which of them to go, but mostly I'm going eeep, because them dying permanently would be SO BAD. o_o;;

I curious as to why we didn't actually see the Jade/dead!Dave kiss on the last page, when we got the flashbacks to the other corpsekisses (why is that even a word??).

Write it! Write iiit! ^_____^

[xparrot.livejournal.com]

An obsession shared is an obsession...uhhhhh, made even worse? ^^;;;

I love time travel shenanigans, always have, but gaaaah they get confusing in this! But yeah...I don't think we've ever quite gotten the trolls' timeline sequentially anyway, it's always been skipping some, but it also does seem to be completely out-of-synch with the kids' (I guess it would have to be, since they're able to bounce around the kids' timeline at will...)

...SOOOO curious about the post-Scratch conditions, because we (as far as I can determine) have not seen ANYTHING beyond that point - and the trolls (whoever's left ;_;) and the kids might be together and actually progressing forward linearly...?

...if the series doesn't just end there, which, uhhh, I have no idea.

John knows all about Blackrom, and we haven't actually seen that being explained to him, have we? The quadrants were mentioned, but not much else.

HMMM! You know I don't think we have! (the whole long explanation of Troll Romance we are told was Karkat talking about it to John, using troll movie examples, but I don't know when that happens...we're still some time at least away from Karkat's first conversation with him, because John doesn't have the Cosbymufftops yet...(oh god the number of words and phrases here that SHOULD MAKE NO SENSE...and yet do...is incredible all on its own...)

And Rose's suicide mission... Remember she mentioned she wasn't coming back, and Dave freaked out about it?

I knooooow! (it should come as no surprise that that was a favorite scene. Really I started falling hard for the series when the kids started genuinely worrying about each other - I think the first time my fangirl heart really went PING was when John was using the rocket to fly to the gate after Dave/Davesprite had told him not to, and he's remembering Dave's birthday letter and stops...AWWWWWW.) None of the kids better die permanently, that would just be too too sad (though my bro pointed out that last time we saw Aradia - Not going to die again! Aradia - she was out by the Green Sun? So maybe she could cook up some sort of rescue...?)

I curious as to why we didn't actually see the Jade/dead!Dave kiss on the last page, when we got the flashbacks to the other corpsekisses (why is that even a word??).

I was wondering that myself...maybe dream!Dave being already(always) awake meant he didn't have to be kissed...?

And I caaaaaaaan't write it! Just the thought of trying to write Izaya scares me, much less the trolls~! /o\

[shayera.livejournal.com]

Time travel shenanigans are awesome, but the more involved they are, the more confusing they become. The Doctor has nothing on this kind of timey wimey!

No, we haven't seen anything at all post-Scratch, which is exciting and sort of very ominous. ...the Scratch is supposed to reset the session, and apparently the human kids are trying to get into the trollkids' session before they are erased and replaced with themselves entering the game for the first time again. I'm thinking that if they fail, of course they wouldn't know, because their timeline would be d00med. But assuming they succeed, that would probably break the connection between trollsession and humansession, because that was established when Dave sent Terezia a shitload of money, which wouldn't have happened - right?

So they wouldn't be able to reassure or warn their past selves in either case. If I read it right.

And then there's the null event on the trolls' timeline. Which is sort of horriblebad and means WHAT exactly? Jack destroying reality? Or something else entirely?

I want to know why Gamzee is carrying John's Hammer of Zillihoo. That detail makes me REALLY WORRIED.

I love the scenes when they worry about each other so much! Both the Dave and Rose scene and the John and Dave scene you mentioned made me squee out loud. ^____^

And you know the scene where Dave absolutely refuses to acknowledge that he's grieving for Bro, and he doesn't care at all, and then he ends up face down on the ground, mumbling to Terezi to go away. :(

I can almost see Rose and Dave going down together because neither of them would allow the other to go...

Adadia is out by the green sun, yeah! And she's god tier and she seems to know what she's doing, so that would be good?

Oh, and Jadesprite is still out there! She does have a lot of power, and is pretty much a wildcard at this stage.

We glimpsed Dream Dave getting bloodied up by Real Dave's wounds, which is an effect we've only seen with god tier ascension before, but... It looks to me as if either Dream Dave would have died if Jade hadn't done a corpsekiss, or Dave actually did make god tier, in which case HOW??

But you are a Hero of Fanfic! \o/ Although I can understand being intimidated. Izaya and Vriska together would be one hell of a Magnificent Bastard mess, for one thing. And chatlogs are weird. It's a challenge? XD

[xparrot.livejournal.com]

But assuming they succeed, that would probably break the connection between trollsession and humansession, because that was established when Dave sent Terezia a shitload of money, which wouldn't have happened - right?

Maaaaaybe??

I'm wondering if they might be trying something else - Rose was able to send her memories back from Davesprite's doomed timeline in some form - now that was using her dreamself, which option is out, but if they could find another way to do it, send their memories back to their own selves when they reboot...they might then be able to rescue themselves from the trolls' universe? or something?? I don't know!!

And the null event on the trolls' timeline - yeaaaah, if it's not Jack's work, then a second scratch? or maybe Slick takes out Snowball as he's supposed to? (if the trolls' home universe gets destroyed I'm assuming their Incipisphere does too...)

I want to know why Gamzee is carrying John's Hammer of Zillihoo. That detail makes me REALLY WORRIED.

The explanation I've heard for that (on the wiki, maybe?) is that Gamzee uses jokerkind, which are of course wildcards - so he can summon any weapon in the game(s). Otherwise I don't know how he could've gotten hold of John's hammer, seeing as so far there's been no physical crossover between the universes except for Jack.

(As far as Jack crossing over goes, though - when he shows up in the trolls' session, his hand is red with blood. Which hasn't happened yet, and none of the kids have a dreamself left to lose, sooooo...am a wee bit concerned there! Unless it's just John again...but if he keeps going up against Jack, eventually he could die a noble death? nooooo....)

I can almost see Rose and Dave going down together because neither of them would allow the other to go...

Yeah, otherwise we might get shounen-style suckerpunches, one knocking the other out so they can go themselves...

We glimpsed Dream Dave getting bloodied up by Real Dave's wounds, which is an effect we've only seen with god tier ascension before

Hmmmm that is a good point, usually they wake up uninjured, don't they... But there was no quest bed so I don't think god tier is possible, and besides Terezi did say Dave never made it (and while she could've been lying I don't think she was?)

Ahhh I keep pressing refresh and yet there are no new updates! Whyyyy~~!?

[shayera.livejournal.com]

The beauty of the thing is that despite all the time travel and revelations about the future and everything, we still have no idea what's actually going to happen! O___O

...would killing Snowball destroy the troll's home universe? But she's not a frog. I mean, she was exiled in the first place because she refused to be a frog, so... But then, I'm not sure exactly what she is right now, except for Slick's kismesis.

The explanation I've heard for that (on the wiki, maybe?) is that Gamzee uses jokerkind, which are of course wildcards - so he can summon any weapon in the game(s).

Oh. Has he been doing that? I can't remember what weapon he's been using except for the juggling pins (and the bow he killed Equius with, I guess), but that would explain it.

As far as Jack crossing over goes, though - when he shows up in the trolls' session, his hand is red with blood.

Uhhh, yeah. Good point! Not that bleeding always equals death (I hope hope hope), but it's worrying. We have no idea what circumstances Jack was in when he crosses universes. But if it was in the middle of a fight...

Hmm, Rose won't fight Jack again. Because her fight was Hero of Light vs Jack Round 1, and Vriska's that never happened was Round 2.

If John goes up against Jack with some other purpose in mind than GRAR ANGRY (leading to quick stabbity death for himself), it would probably qualify as noble. And the absolute latest we've seen of John's timeline was before Jack passed over, so we really don't know. *worries about John*

Yeah, otherwise we might get shounen-style suckerpunches, one knocking the other out so they can go themselves...

Yesss. It's an interesting scenario. Assuming neither of them will actually DIE die. :(

Hmmmm that is a good point, usually they wake up uninjured, don't they...

Rose woke up uninjured, and so did Sollux, but that's the thing - they woke up. Dream Dave was never asleep, so perhaps it works differently for him? ...if he wasn't quite dead yet and Jade had time to put him on a quest bed, that would make it similar to what happened to Vriska. She was dying and unconscious and her dream self woke up and had all the wounds inflicted before Real Vriska died...

But according to the characters who knows what happened, Dave-1 died, so yeah. I'm just thinking out loud.

Ahhh I keep pressing refresh and yet there are no new updates! Whyyyy~~!?

Me too!! Need more now plx. Addiction is a powerful thing.

...I only now noticed that there is a message in the blog below the comic that says he'll be away for June 21-27, and possibly no updates until after that. :( I guess I picked a lousy week to catch up...

[xparrot.livejournal.com]

...would killing Snowball destroy the troll's home universe?

Well, back in the Midnight Crew intermission, that was what SS claimed. Or something along those lines. Not quite sure on the reasons, but...?

And Doc Scratch does want her dead, and wants to destroy the universe to summon Lord English, so that's evidence for it, too.

Rose woke up uninjured, and so did Sollux, but that's the thing - they woke up. Dream Dave was never asleep, so perhaps it works differently for him?

Yeah, could be? Both Vriska and John's dream-selves were awake before they actually died, when they went godtier - I think, anyway, it's a little confusing when they actually died, but...

Though Karkat just now said something about having to kiss dead people in time to make their dreamselves wake up, so maybe the not in time is when the dreamselves die of the injuries? I don't know...but yeah, do wonder if something else is going on with Dave.

(ahhh one of the things that makes this series so stressful to read is how absolutely impossible it is to predict anything that's going to happen! makes it exciting too of course, but...ahhhh!! )

...I only now noticed that there is a message in the blog below the comic that says he'll be away for June 21-27, and possibly no updates until after that. :( I guess I picked a lousy week to catch up...

*GASP* that just went up!! (or at least I hadn't seen it until now) Noooooooo~~~! ;____;

[shayera.livejournal.com]

Ooh. See, this is why I need to reread the thing! I pfooshed through it.

But yeah, that's why Slick didn't have her among the targets to be killed. On the other hand, the ultimate goal of that mission was to kill Lord English, wasn't it? And Lord English is supposed to be the one who destroys the universe... (and from what little we know of him, killing him seems like a pretty futile mission!)

Anyway, there was this nifty universe -> Snowman thing going on on the top panel around the time she was changing the reality where Slick got killed. So there's definitely something going on there. But she's still no frog...:/

Both Vriska and John's dream-selves were awake before they actually died, when they went godtier

John wasn't, though. His dream self seems to have teleported to the Skaia quest bed, but he was asleep until waking up as a God player. Only Vriska was awake and trying to convince Tavros to kill her, and that's because she wasn't directly killed by Aradia, only mortally wounded. And when she did die, we saw her wounded dream self getting teleported away, presumably to her dream quest bed? John was stabbed through the heart, so I think he died immediately.

Exciting and stressful, that's about it. Which is why I had to plow through the archives even though I didn't have time and now there is no more for a week NOOOOOOOOO! O_O;

[xparrot.livejournal.com]

Heh, yeah, that's why I've been reading the wiki and such, because I missed a lot of details the first time through - so much going on, and especially when you're anxious to find out what's happening with X you totally gloss over Y!