on SPN; or, OMG WTF NO.
Oct. 10th, 2011 11:25 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
Okay, so I've been watching Supernatural since its first season. For the first couple of seasons I was there for the pretty boys and brotherly h/c, but for years now I've been into it for the trainwreck factor, as the show doesn't so much go off the rails as blow them up, with big sticks of dynamite, twirling its metaphorical mustache as it pushes the plunger to send everything spiraling down into the abyss. It's bad, is what I'm saying, on nearly any axis of bad; and I laugh when I watch it, in between fits of screaming OH JOHN RINGO NO.
As of this last episode, though, I'm starting to suspect that the showrunners themselves are not only out to make bad TV but are actually intentionally trying to kill the show off, in a brutal and sickening way. Or maybe that was just the episode? Because, all jokes aside, what the everloving fuck, show.
When I said, "Oh, Dean gets to stab Jewel Staite!" I WAS FUCKING KIDDING.
...Yeah. Jewel Staite. Was on Supernatural, playing the monster of a week. Who is also a sweet single mom who gets stabbed by Dean, while she is begging him to spare her (because the killing she did was to save her young son's life.) Oh, and did I mention she was going by the name "Amy Pond"?
I DON'T EVEN.
It's almost brilliant in how horrifically wrong it is. Not satisfied with killing off every single female character who's ever appeared in more than a single ep, now they are actually going out and finding beloved female characters in other properties to kill off, too. It's just. Wow.
I'm seriously wondering if the game plan is that by the end of this season the Winchesters are the monsters everyone is hunting down. (Crowley gets together a heroic gang of past monsters resurrected from Purgatory, and they save the world from Dean?) Because by now? I would genuinely enjoy that!
As of this last episode, though, I'm starting to suspect that the showrunners themselves are not only out to make bad TV but are actually intentionally trying to kill the show off, in a brutal and sickening way. Or maybe that was just the episode? Because, all jokes aside, what the everloving fuck, show.
When I said, "Oh, Dean gets to stab Jewel Staite!" I WAS FUCKING KIDDING.
...Yeah. Jewel Staite. Was on Supernatural, playing the monster of a week. Who is also a sweet single mom who gets stabbed by Dean, while she is begging him to spare her (because the killing she did was to save her young son's life.) Oh, and did I mention she was going by the name "Amy Pond"?
I DON'T EVEN.
It's almost brilliant in how horrifically wrong it is. Not satisfied with killing off every single female character who's ever appeared in more than a single ep, now they are actually going out and finding beloved female characters in other properties to kill off, too. It's just. Wow.
I'm seriously wondering if the game plan is that by the end of this season the Winchesters are the monsters everyone is hunting down. (Crowley gets together a heroic gang of past monsters resurrected from Purgatory, and they save the world from Dean?) Because by now? I would genuinely enjoy that!
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Date: 2011-10-11 06:41 am (UTC)Um.
... yeah. I got nothin'.
I finally hit the point with SPN at the end of last season where I really don't even care enough to watch the show to mock it (and for the occasional good episode that they manage to dredge up), and now I just read other people's horrified/amused/snarky episode recaps to see what fresh hell (ha.) I'm missing.
I was about to say that I can't remember the last time a show went so completely out of its way to set on fire and then trample on everything that originally drew me to it, but then I realized, oh, wait, Heroes. Which I just watched back in July. And it self-destructed a lot faster. At least SPN gave us a couple of good seasons before it began its slide into epic suck.
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Date: 2011-10-11 07:43 am (UTC)It's inspiring, that's what it is, and I can't stop watching for it! --Though really, just reading the recaps and snark is probably the better way to go. I'm just in too invested now; I have to see for myself how much deeper into the mire it can dig, so someday I can say, I was there, man. I was there.
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Date: 2011-10-12 04:08 am (UTC)This comment, however, is made of EPIC WIN. And made me laugh.
I think part of what makes SPN so awesomely awful NOW is that it started out really fun and had so much promise! Some shows suck from the beginning, because no one involved with the production has any talent at all. SPN isn't like that; it has this weird dynamic of writers who can actually write, but rather than using their talents to produce compelling plots about likable characters, they use their gifts to dump on their fans in increasingly horrid ways and systematically dismantle everything that used to be good about the show. And in the middle of it, they still come up with occasional episodes that are not only watchable but really funny! I DON'T EVEN KNOW. The contrast between the love that I used to have for the show, and the DDDDDD: that I have for it now, is a really weird cognitive dissonance ...
(Also, I'm pretty sure that from now on, the names "Sera Gamble" or "Eric Kripke" on a show are going to make me run awayyyyyyy as fast as possible.)
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Date: 2011-10-12 10:18 am (UTC)Though it was weird when I showed someone the show (a couple years ago now) and remembered that I actually did honestly, not ironically, enjoy s1. And heck, I genuinely enjoyed just this season's premiere (and have been disappointed that the last 2 eps haven't been as fun, even putting aside the horrificness)...so yeah. Cognitive dissonance.
...Though really, the things most terrible about the show now are what's always been terrible, just taken up a notch or ten - it's always come with a heaping side-order of misogyny, it's always been unduly focused on the brothers & their manpain to the exclusion of the rest of the world. It's not like Angel:TS, where almost everything I loved in the beginning was systematically dismantled and destroyed (even if s5 did have Spike and the puppet episode!); it's just that the more you get of SPN, the harder it is to ignored the ugly bits...(what I really want to know is is it intentional? are they trying to be so outrageously egregious? Or are they really that oblivious? Sometimes I almost thing they have to be doing it on purpose, as some kind of post-modern critique of trends in entertainment...then I realize I'm giving them too much credit. But still, just, how can they be so bad?!)
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Date: 2011-10-12 07:04 pm (UTC)I don't feel betrayed by the show, exactly, because I started losing interest at the end of season two, and season three pretty much killed whatever fannish investment I did have. The only time I was ever really fannish about the show was in season one and early season two. Still, I get warm nostalgia fuzzies from looking back on it then. Someday I'd like to go back and watch season one and only season one (well, okay, the first few eps of season two, perhaps) and pretend the rest of it didn't happen. ^^;;
even if s5 did have Spike and the puppet episode!
... I really want to see the puppet episode at some point. I know of it, but I've never seen it (well, never seen more than a few eps of Angel, anyway ...)
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Date: 2011-10-12 10:27 pm (UTC)You could watch the first 2 seasons of Angel and then pretend it got cancelled after that? And then watch the puppet ep (because it is epic crack) and maybe a few other eps...
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Date: 2011-10-11 07:24 am (UTC)I'd long turned a blind eye to the rampant misogyny on this show b/c the show itself seemed too ridiculous to take seriously enough to say it commits misogyny. But this latest episode was yes, so ridiculously over the top that I now call FLAMING BALLS OF WTF SHENANIGANS on it. I also have to applaud the hilarity of Dean letting the son live. Because, you know, he's a kid. And he's a guy.
THANKS, SPN. Here's hoping Cthulhu!Castiel rises up soon and obliterates you all.
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Date: 2011-10-11 07:36 am (UTC)I admit to finding the ridiculously blatant misogyny and racism almost, well, entertaining, on a certain level? Quaint, that's what it is. A lot of shows, you have to interpret, question, think about it; SPN is almost relaxing in how it's just THERE. ...and/or I have a really sick sense of humor. Eheh. But this was just so WTF. (especially the fakeout - there was a whole minute there that I actually was wondering if the show had grown up slightly, if it was going to acknowledge the shades of gray and let her live. But no. And of course it had to be Dean, and stabbing, because that's what you do with women - there are Issues, and then there are the writers of this show...)
And yeah, Dean letting the son go was hysterical. (I so want to see him come back and rip Dean apart. And I'm not even joking when I say that anymore.)
GO GO CASTHULHU!!!!
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Date: 2011-10-11 08:05 am (UTC)Yeah, remember the days when a dead Winchester was a bad thing? You know, back when it seemed like dead Winchesters would actually REMAIN DEAD?
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Date: 2011-10-12 12:34 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-10-11 08:11 am (UTC)I've had to stop watching. I'm not angry, like I was with Smallville, I'm just sad and worn out. But when I look back, I always had issues and reservations that I had to force myself to overlook. I just can't overlook them anymore.
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Date: 2011-10-11 08:27 am (UTC)I entirely see your sad exhaustion. I'd feel it myself if I had any respect for the show left, but I lost it seasons ago. But really, yeah, quitting it is the only way to win!
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Date: 2011-10-11 08:33 am (UTC)It's really too bad they go so far out of their way to be so massively, consistently, horrid.
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Date: 2011-10-11 08:16 am (UTC)But the way the women on the show get dealt with has always bothered me. I haven't watched this last episode yet, but I bet it'll bother me too - and seriously, as much as I love deep, messed-up characters who are forced to make decisions within the grey area? Yeah, they're definitely taking it too far here.
....And borderline plagiarizing, like, the Moff and Gillan cannot be too happy about what they just did.
Ew.
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Date: 2011-10-11 08:31 am (UTC)...anyway, yeah...SPN should be just crazy stupid fun, but too often they slide into crazy BLLEEEERGH DO NOT WANT. And the morality is so icky that while sometimes it makes me laugh from the stupidity, sometimes it just grosses me out, even more than the blood and gore.
(The Amy Pond thing wasn't plagiarism - they just took the name, no character elements - so it was really just a little in-joke reference. But it turned into a spitefully cruel one, and I don't know why...)
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Date: 2011-10-11 08:55 am (UTC)XENA WAS AWESOME. I watched it when it was originally on TV, back when I was about 7 years old. :3 It was ridic, but Lucy Lawless's utter BAMFness carried the show.
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Date: 2011-10-11 09:01 am (UTC)And Lucy Lawless is made of awesome - she totally made that show, in the best way! ^_^
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Date: 2011-10-11 09:26 am (UTC)I dropped the show at the beginning of season three because of its issues but it seems like the issues have grown into ISSUES!!!1! I'm seriously wondering, are the writers consciously trying to be as offensive as the possibly can, or are they having some big-ass blind spots?
My policy toward SPN has been to ignore as a whole and just cherry-pick the occasional crack ep when the friends list recommends it... more fun that way.
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Date: 2011-10-11 10:05 am (UTC)I'm seriously wondering, are the writers consciously trying to be as offensive as the possibly can, or are they having some big-ass blind spots?
I've been asking this for a couple of years now. Because seriously...those are some GARGANTUAN blind spots. It makes so much more sense if they're doing it deliberately (SPN's head writer is a woman, even. WTFBBQ?!?!?)
My policy toward SPN has been to ignore as a whole and just cherry-pick the occasional crack ep when the friends list recommends it... more fun that way.
DEFINITELY the best way to watch! The crack is amazing, but the rest of it...holy moly. (Though it can be fun if you get in the mood to scream at your TV...!)
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Date: 2011-10-11 12:15 pm (UTC)Sam's mental instability (hallucinations) isn't going to go away, he just has to learn to cope with it and deal with it in the best way he knows how (though using pain as a touchpoint is not healthy). He's not okay, but he's trying to live through the complicated combination of who he is now and what that means.
From Dean's side of things, his depression and alcoholism reached such a point that he has to break. All the issues that have been weighing on Dean's shoulders his entire life has finally broken him. The big tipping point, and the reason he's in the headspace he is at the end of this ep, is the broken trust. He went from being a hunter who saw only black and white, good and evil, to trusting other beings to sometimes be good (Lenore and Cas, for example), but that trust got blown out of the water when Cas turned, so he's shut down. He's back to his "supernatural creatures are evil, kill them" mindset with no room for change. He is shutting down and he's on a path of self-destruction.
I highly commend SPN for tackling these types of issues this season (and for having the thread of Dean's disintegrating mental state since he got back from Hell in Season 4). This isn't an easily won battle, but one that they're confronting the best way they know.
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Date: 2011-10-11 09:12 pm (UTC)If the ep had had Dean killing a kid-monster (say, her son rather than her) that would've disturbed me less - it would have been even more horrific and dark; but it wouldn't have had the misogynist connotations of "our hero" sticking it to yet another dame.
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Date: 2011-10-11 01:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-10-11 09:14 pm (UTC)Who's Amy Pond?
Date: 2011-10-11 01:10 pm (UTC)ETA: Sorry. Note to self: "IMDB is your friend. So is Google."
Re: Who's Amy Pond?
Date: 2011-10-11 09:15 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-10-11 03:45 pm (UTC)Given this last, how can you not cut your losses and move on to something new?
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Date: 2011-10-11 09:24 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-10-11 11:45 pm (UTC)*By which I mean dress-up Sam/Dean paperdolls, checklists of how you can tell you're obsessed with Sam/Dean, Dean's fake Facebook page, drawings of just Sam's hair by season, and manips of them in dishes of food (????).
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Date: 2011-10-12 10:24 am (UTC)(This is a big part of why I'm still watching. Not only is it terrible, it is CRACK in every possible way...)