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Previously, the events leading up to kid!Loki's reincarnation. And now, part 2, kid!Loki in the Thor comics.
For those interested in Journey into Mystery (kid!Loki's primary series), this part is entirely scans and story from Thor and The Mighty Thor comics up until about now (Mighty Thor 12), with no major JiM spoilers - most of these issues take place prior to JiM, after which the series run parallel to one another and only tangentially overlap. Loki is only a side character in the Thor comics, and Thor!kid!Loki tends more towards the crazily/tragically adorable kid-sidekick side of the spectrum, less complex than his semi-anti-hero JiM self. I decidedly prefer JiM - both for Loki and for the stories themselves; the Thor comics are just random - but there is an awful lot of cute here.
More scans than last time; I couldn't help myself.
Everything Old Is Loki Again
[Thor 618-621]
Last time on Thor (from the 620 recap page):
Against his better judgment, and condemned for it, Thor has resurrected Loki, the traitor by whose hand Asgard has fallen.
So, after finding his brother reincarnated as a boy in Paris with no memories, Thor brings Loki back to himself - or mostly back, because this Loki is a bit different than his previous version.
For one thing, he's rather more portable:


And generally just tiny!

(The main JiM writer and kid!Loki's primary creator, Kieron Gillen, has put his age at the Asgardian equivalent of 13; in the comics depending on who's writing and drawing him, he tends to look and act somewhere between 10-15.)
While kid!Loki has a god's endurance and agility, he is effectively powerless - this seems mostly due to lack of knowledge; he still has skill in magic, but is basically back to beginning apprentice level and can't even manage simple illusions. Because he has no power and no influence, he needs to rely on his wits, charm, and ability to dissemble more than ever.
The dissembling is particularly interesting, because while Loki used to lie compulsively, his younger self can be disarmingly honest at times, speaking his mind like a child; and other times will openly admit to having secrets. But he also chooses to keep others unmentioned, and he's very aware of how people see him. And sometimes he seems to use his age to get away with saying things an adult couldn't.

Though he apparently has no real memories of his previous life past the age he appears, he's well aware of his past self - not least of which because no one else will let him forget it:

A+ parenting, Odin!
Thor agrees:

(...yes, that was Loki stealing a guy's car.)

Wow, Odin got up on the wrong side of the coffin. (Yeah, like I mentioned, he was dead before. Thor brought daddy dearest back - because Asgard was in trouble and needed him. Odin's not especially grateful.)
In many ways, kid!Loki is a far better trickster than the original (Marvel) Loki - because he has to rely more on his wits than any powers, because his motivations are much less clear and therefore less predictable. Unburdened from most of his angst, he can be a cocky little smartass and really enjoy himself like a good trickster should. That he also has a heart and a capacity for compassion that was so long repressed and atrophied in his original incarnation doesn't change fact that he is still the god of mischief as much as he ever was.
Which is why Thor is pretty much the only person in all of Asgard - or anywhere else - who is happy Loki is back.



At the end of Thor 621, Jane Foster tells Loki: "Thor brought you back, Loki. He loves you. And that means he'll take care of you. He'll always take care of you." (that this is superimposed over shots of Balder's funeral, and Thor consigning Balder - his half-brother's - helm to the pyre, showing how well he can take care of brothers...makes it perhaps less reassuring than it might be. Still, aww...)
In turn, Loki hero-worships his big (now much bigger!) brother. Which he might be exaggerating for effect, but it usually seems genuine. (And gah, the adorable...!)

This run of Thor ends with 621 (and Journey into Mystery picks up with 622); meanwhile the Thor storyline continues in:
[The Mighty Thor 1-6] (set before the first JiM)
This story is random (the planet-eater Galactus comes for a special world-seed hidden in the roots of Yggdrasil; mostly this is an excuse for Thor vs Silver Surfer), but kid!Loki's arguably at his most openly heroic:

"My brother is in trouble. I can't tell you how I know it. But I know it. I am certain he is in over his head...Please. Let me save him."

"I came to help with my stick of great stabbing!"
Which doesn't mean he's not still getting up to old-school mischief of the first order:


In both Norse myth and Marvel canon there is a story that Loki pranked Sif by cutting off all her beautiful golden hair while she was sleeping; he then was forced to make restitution by getting the dwarves to craft her new hair of actual gold. In the comics, this hair then turned black, for reasons (i.e. it's hotter for Thor to be banging a brunette.) Which is why Sif doesn't take kindly to Loki's hair-snipping now:




(Sif's relationship with kid!Loki is all over the place: sometimes she seems big-sisterly fond of him, sometimes she's supportive of him for Thor's sake, sometimes she's deeply distrustful of Thor's attachment to him and suspects Loki of manipulating him. Given all their past history it's not difficult to understand, and Loki, while aware of her distrust, doesn't seem to hold it against her, generally accepting her kindness at face value.)
All this being said, Loki's plans might go better if he actually told anyone what he was up to. Kid!Loki's biggest problem is that he doesn't dare share what he's doing with anyone, because he (correctly) assumes that no one will believe he's actually scheming and conspiring with witches and whatnot for the right reasons:

Again, JiM does more interesting things with this (much of Loki's actions & motives are a lot grayer) and Loki actually has a few allies (of a sort) on his side. In the Thor stuff, it's just tragic, because Loki's not actually doing anything wrong (in this case he successfully saves Asgard), it just appears like he is, and no one will believe otherwise. Even Thor has his moments of doubt - especially when Loki's secret plans potentially could've gotten Earth eaten by Galactus:



MY HEART ;_;
If Thor seems excessively or abusively cruel here - Galactus was a serious threat, Thor's got a weird injury that might be screwing with his head, and also, cute kid or not, this is still Loki. It is not wise to trust anything Loki says or does, no matter how innocent he looks or how many (possibly crocodile) tears he cries. Only a couple years ago as Lady Loki and then up through the siege, he was as fervently insisting he was reformed, that he was working for the good of Asgard. As it turned out, not so much.
As kid!Loki, we readers get to see him on his own (no one was watching during that "For Asgard!" above), so we know he - probably - is sincere now. But no one around him knows for sure his change of heart is for real; and it doesn't impact how dangerous he can be. That their distrust might well drive Loki down the same path he followed before is one of the more bitter ironies of his reincarnation.
All the same, Thor is trying:


Loving him while never trusting him is possibly the only way to actually deal with Loki, and maybe it will be enough?
(These next issues take place after Journey into Mystery v.1-2, and has oblique spoilers though nothing direct.)
[The Mighty Thor 7-12]
Following events in the Fear Itself cross-over event (covered in part in the first volumes of JiM), there's this odd little arc where an old foe of Asgard casts a spell such that Thor (MIA) gets replaced in everyone's mind and memories by a new Thunder God, Tanarus. And, because this comic is determined to SHATTER MY HEART, out of everyone Thor knows - the Avengers, Asgard's rulers, Sif, the Warriors Three, the Silver Surfer, Donald Blake, everyone - Loki is the only one who actually remembers his real brother. He doesn't exactly remember Thor himself - it takes a magical zapping for him to remember his name - but he knows that Tanarus is not his brother and is absolutely furious about it:

"My brother was blonder! Also hotter! ...well, depending on the artist."
Especially because everyone thinks he's gone off his nut (even more than usual) because he won't shut up about his seemingly non-existent brother:


Loki finally teams up with the Silver Surfer (who is hanging around Earth for, um, reasons) and they end up releasing Mjolnir (from the stick Loki's holding, that he stole from Donald Blake because he (Loki) is a dick)


Surfer unleashing his power trying to lift the hammer starts it glowing, and Loki gives Thor a psychic pep-talk (Thor is trapped in another dimension, as happens to heroes):



(That was Loki pushing Surfer out of the way before he got punched through by Mjolnir, which Thor just remembered how to summon.)
This apparently restores Loki's memories but no one else's, so then he's trying to explain his brother to the Surfer:
"Thor. The Mighty Thor."
"I recall him not at all."
"Think harder. Big. Fearless. Had a hammer. Could be...impulsive. My father would say, 'impetuous' but I never saw it that way.
"And you are certain you are not speaking of Tanarus?"
"Yes, yes, to Hel with Tanarus. Tanarus is an imposter. A copy. A clone of an impression. Tanarus dreams of being this heroic. This brave. This hopelessly Asgardian."


(umm watch the hands, Loki...)
While they're trying to find Thor and figure out who's behind this, the evil sorceress who cast the spell and her troll allies attack the newly-rebuilt-for-what-the-third-time? Asgard (I mentioned this comic is really random, right?) and Loki comes with Surfer to dive right into the warzone even though he's pretty much useless as a fighter these days - hopelessly Asgardian indeed:

"They had cast a magical working upon us. Thor was cloaked in our memories, replaced by 'Tanarus.' We didn't know Thor was gone. We just knew that this loud-mouthed braggart was allegedly our greatest hero..."

"He never fooled me, though. And even though I couldn't remember him exactly..."

"I could remember enough."
Thor's arrival breaks everyone else out of the spell, the battle gets wrapped up in what would've been about a volume of shounen manga and is maaaybe half a dozen pages here (I have yet to adjust to American comicbook pacing) and...no one thanks Loki or acknowledges what he did (that we see, though it does jump ahead) and there is no Thor-Loki reunion hug (ALL THE TEARS ALL OF THEM ;_;).
(We do, however, get to see that Loki is an awesome babysitter!

Did I say awesome? I might have meant terrible...)
Following this, The Mighty Thor 12.1 has some interesting rewriting of Norse mythological and comic canon, plus this (which is adorable no matter what Sif and Volstagg think):

The current arc in Mighty Thor (at least through 14) doesn't yet feature kid!Loki, but that's all right since he's the star of Journey into Mystery. And JiM, if I haven't said it enough, is amazing (probably the American comic I've enjoyed the most since I first read Sandman.) If I do a part 3 it won't be full summaries but just a collection of awesome JiM bits for my own enjoyment, to have around after the series inevitably breaks my heart (it will likely be a very long post...)

For those interested in Journey into Mystery (kid!Loki's primary series), this part is entirely scans and story from Thor and The Mighty Thor comics up until about now (Mighty Thor 12), with no major JiM spoilers - most of these issues take place prior to JiM, after which the series run parallel to one another and only tangentially overlap. Loki is only a side character in the Thor comics, and Thor!kid!Loki tends more towards the crazily/tragically adorable kid-sidekick side of the spectrum, less complex than his semi-anti-hero JiM self. I decidedly prefer JiM - both for Loki and for the stories themselves; the Thor comics are just random - but there is an awful lot of cute here.
More scans than last time; I couldn't help myself.
Everything Old Is Loki Again
[Thor 618-621]
Last time on Thor (from the 620 recap page):
Against his better judgment, and condemned for it, Thor has resurrected Loki, the traitor by whose hand Asgard has fallen.
So, after finding his brother reincarnated as a boy in Paris with no memories, Thor brings Loki back to himself - or mostly back, because this Loki is a bit different than his previous version.
For one thing, he's rather more portable:


And generally just tiny!

(The main JiM writer and kid!Loki's primary creator, Kieron Gillen, has put his age at the Asgardian equivalent of 13; in the comics depending on who's writing and drawing him, he tends to look and act somewhere between 10-15.)
While kid!Loki has a god's endurance and agility, he is effectively powerless - this seems mostly due to lack of knowledge; he still has skill in magic, but is basically back to beginning apprentice level and can't even manage simple illusions. Because he has no power and no influence, he needs to rely on his wits, charm, and ability to dissemble more than ever.
The dissembling is particularly interesting, because while Loki used to lie compulsively, his younger self can be disarmingly honest at times, speaking his mind like a child; and other times will openly admit to having secrets. But he also chooses to keep others unmentioned, and he's very aware of how people see him. And sometimes he seems to use his age to get away with saying things an adult couldn't.


Though he apparently has no real memories of his previous life past the age he appears, he's well aware of his past self - not least of which because no one else will let him forget it:

A+ parenting, Odin!
Thor agrees:

(...yes, that was Loki stealing a guy's car.)

Wow, Odin got up on the wrong side of the coffin. (Yeah, like I mentioned, he was dead before. Thor brought daddy dearest back - because Asgard was in trouble and needed him. Odin's not especially grateful.)
In many ways, kid!Loki is a far better trickster than the original (Marvel) Loki - because he has to rely more on his wits than any powers, because his motivations are much less clear and therefore less predictable. Unburdened from most of his angst, he can be a cocky little smartass and really enjoy himself like a good trickster should. That he also has a heart and a capacity for compassion that was so long repressed and atrophied in his original incarnation doesn't change fact that he is still the god of mischief as much as he ever was.
Which is why Thor is pretty much the only person in all of Asgard - or anywhere else - who is happy Loki is back.




At the end of Thor 621, Jane Foster tells Loki: "Thor brought you back, Loki. He loves you. And that means he'll take care of you. He'll always take care of you." (that this is superimposed over shots of Balder's funeral, and Thor consigning Balder - his half-brother's - helm to the pyre, showing how well he can take care of brothers...makes it perhaps less reassuring than it might be. Still, aww...)
In turn, Loki hero-worships his big (now much bigger!) brother. Which he might be exaggerating for effect, but it usually seems genuine. (And gah, the adorable...!)

This run of Thor ends with 621 (and Journey into Mystery picks up with 622); meanwhile the Thor storyline continues in:
[The Mighty Thor 1-6] (set before the first JiM)
This story is random (the planet-eater Galactus comes for a special world-seed hidden in the roots of Yggdrasil; mostly this is an excuse for Thor vs Silver Surfer), but kid!Loki's arguably at his most openly heroic:

"My brother is in trouble. I can't tell you how I know it. But I know it. I am certain he is in over his head...Please. Let me save him."


"I came to help with my stick of great stabbing!"
Which doesn't mean he's not still getting up to old-school mischief of the first order:


In both Norse myth and Marvel canon there is a story that Loki pranked Sif by cutting off all her beautiful golden hair while she was sleeping; he then was forced to make restitution by getting the dwarves to craft her new hair of actual gold. In the comics, this hair then turned black, for reasons (i.e. it's hotter for Thor to be banging a brunette.) Which is why Sif doesn't take kindly to Loki's hair-snipping now:




(Sif's relationship with kid!Loki is all over the place: sometimes she seems big-sisterly fond of him, sometimes she's supportive of him for Thor's sake, sometimes she's deeply distrustful of Thor's attachment to him and suspects Loki of manipulating him. Given all their past history it's not difficult to understand, and Loki, while aware of her distrust, doesn't seem to hold it against her, generally accepting her kindness at face value.)
All this being said, Loki's plans might go better if he actually told anyone what he was up to. Kid!Loki's biggest problem is that he doesn't dare share what he's doing with anyone, because he (correctly) assumes that no one will believe he's actually scheming and conspiring with witches and whatnot for the right reasons:


Again, JiM does more interesting things with this (much of Loki's actions & motives are a lot grayer) and Loki actually has a few allies (of a sort) on his side. In the Thor stuff, it's just tragic, because Loki's not actually doing anything wrong (in this case he successfully saves Asgard), it just appears like he is, and no one will believe otherwise. Even Thor has his moments of doubt - especially when Loki's secret plans potentially could've gotten Earth eaten by Galactus:



MY HEART ;_;
If Thor seems excessively or abusively cruel here - Galactus was a serious threat, Thor's got a weird injury that might be screwing with his head, and also, cute kid or not, this is still Loki. It is not wise to trust anything Loki says or does, no matter how innocent he looks or how many (possibly crocodile) tears he cries. Only a couple years ago as Lady Loki and then up through the siege, he was as fervently insisting he was reformed, that he was working for the good of Asgard. As it turned out, not so much.
As kid!Loki, we readers get to see him on his own (no one was watching during that "For Asgard!" above), so we know he - probably - is sincere now. But no one around him knows for sure his change of heart is for real; and it doesn't impact how dangerous he can be. That their distrust might well drive Loki down the same path he followed before is one of the more bitter ironies of his reincarnation.
All the same, Thor is trying:


Loving him while never trusting him is possibly the only way to actually deal with Loki, and maybe it will be enough?
(These next issues take place after Journey into Mystery v.1-2, and has oblique spoilers though nothing direct.)
[The Mighty Thor 7-12]
Following events in the Fear Itself cross-over event (covered in part in the first volumes of JiM), there's this odd little arc where an old foe of Asgard casts a spell such that Thor (MIA) gets replaced in everyone's mind and memories by a new Thunder God, Tanarus. And, because this comic is determined to SHATTER MY HEART, out of everyone Thor knows - the Avengers, Asgard's rulers, Sif, the Warriors Three, the Silver Surfer, Donald Blake, everyone - Loki is the only one who actually remembers his real brother. He doesn't exactly remember Thor himself - it takes a magical zapping for him to remember his name - but he knows that Tanarus is not his brother and is absolutely furious about it:

"My brother was blonder! Also hotter! ...well, depending on the artist."
Especially because everyone thinks he's gone off his nut (even more than usual) because he won't shut up about his seemingly non-existent brother:



Loki finally teams up with the Silver Surfer (who is hanging around Earth for, um, reasons) and they end up releasing Mjolnir (from the stick Loki's holding, that he stole from Donald Blake because he (Loki) is a dick)


Surfer unleashing his power trying to lift the hammer starts it glowing, and Loki gives Thor a psychic pep-talk (Thor is trapped in another dimension, as happens to heroes):



(That was Loki pushing Surfer out of the way before he got punched through by Mjolnir, which Thor just remembered how to summon.)
This apparently restores Loki's memories but no one else's, so then he's trying to explain his brother to the Surfer:
"Thor. The Mighty Thor."
"I recall him not at all."
"Think harder. Big. Fearless. Had a hammer. Could be...impulsive. My father would say, 'impetuous' but I never saw it that way.
"And you are certain you are not speaking of Tanarus?"
"Yes, yes, to Hel with Tanarus. Tanarus is an imposter. A copy. A clone of an impression. Tanarus dreams of being this heroic. This brave. This hopelessly Asgardian."


(umm watch the hands, Loki...)
While they're trying to find Thor and figure out who's behind this, the evil sorceress who cast the spell and her troll allies attack the newly-rebuilt-for-what-the-third-time? Asgard (I mentioned this comic is really random, right?) and Loki comes with Surfer to dive right into the warzone even though he's pretty much useless as a fighter these days - hopelessly Asgardian indeed:

"They had cast a magical working upon us. Thor was cloaked in our memories, replaced by 'Tanarus.' We didn't know Thor was gone. We just knew that this loud-mouthed braggart was allegedly our greatest hero..."

"He never fooled me, though. And even though I couldn't remember him exactly..."

"I could remember enough."
Thor's arrival breaks everyone else out of the spell, the battle gets wrapped up in what would've been about a volume of shounen manga and is maaaybe half a dozen pages here (I have yet to adjust to American comicbook pacing) and...no one thanks Loki or acknowledges what he did (that we see, though it does jump ahead) and there is no Thor-Loki reunion hug (ALL THE TEARS ALL OF THEM ;_;).
(We do, however, get to see that Loki is an awesome babysitter!

Did I say awesome? I might have meant terrible...)
Following this, The Mighty Thor 12.1 has some interesting rewriting of Norse mythological and comic canon, plus this (which is adorable no matter what Sif and Volstagg think):

The current arc in Mighty Thor (at least through 14) doesn't yet feature kid!Loki, but that's all right since he's the star of Journey into Mystery. And JiM, if I haven't said it enough, is amazing (probably the American comic I've enjoyed the most since I first read Sandman.) If I do a part 3 it won't be full summaries but just a collection of awesome JiM bits for my own enjoyment, to have around after the series inevitably breaks my heart (it will likely be a very long post...)

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Date: 2012-06-04 03:47 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-06-04 06:26 am (UTC)(I'll just sit here being amused by Sokka!icon ^^)
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Date: 2012-06-04 05:51 am (UTC)You know, I never noticed that? Possibly because the writer seemed to have forgotten that they were brothers. (Must not rant about Fraction, even if--as you said--he took out Karnilla in a couple pages like she was a street magician.)
I know Loki will break my heart eventually, but I hope it's not too soon or at least not done by a crappy writer. Throne me a bone, Marvel!
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Date: 2012-06-04 08:01 am (UTC)According to sources, the "Everything Burns" JiM/Thor event starting in August is possibly the planned conclusion to Gillen's run on JiM - whether that will also be the end kid!Loki is anyone's guess, but...I have my suspicions >.<
And, tragically given what you've said, it's being co-written by Gillen and Fraction (I've loved Gillen's work on JiM and what he did in Thor, but don't know the chars of Thor well enough to really judge Fraction, other than his pacing is pretty bad...)(what worries me more is that they've made mention of the Everything Burns being at its heart about Thor & Loki, specifically testing their relationship and what could break it up...and the only answer to that question that would satisfy me is NOTHING WHATSOEVER. Loki brought down Asgard like, twice? and Thor still brought him back - I cannot fathom kid!Loki doing anything that would break their bond when it's lasted this long...)
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Date: 2012-06-04 06:48 pm (UTC)I'm trying to ignore the existence of that event up until it actually exists and I can't ignore it anymore. LALALALALALA
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Date: 2012-06-04 08:02 am (UTC)(omg is your icon Harpo & Chico???? *_*)
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Date: 2012-06-05 02:16 am (UTC)Another annoying part was the recent Exiled crossover. And again NO BROTHERLY SCENES. More than that, NO ARTHUR AND LUKE. I might have to write a fic fixing that.
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Date: 2012-06-06 12:20 pm (UTC)I was interested in your points about the difference between reading manga and western comics and I have to agree that the pacing really throws me out sometimes and I have to scramble my brains to work out what just happened. I am also having problems adjusting to left to right speech bubbles. I need to retrain myself...
Whilst I am also sad about the sometimes lacking more relational aspects of Loki and Thor as we get in the comics, I feel like it's teasing me more than anything. Promising me things I know I'll never get. And then I go off and have to imagine all the bonding. XD I have a bad feeling this will all lead to fic. I just wish there was more....
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Date: 2012-06-06 09:39 pm (UTC)And yeah...Thor & Loki's relationship is so very complex and incomprehensible* and huge, that even if the comics only tease, there is room to imagine so much...
* The main Thor writer actually said "What Thor and Loki share is inconceivable to everyone but themselves" (warnings for future-events spoilers in that link, most of which make me cry to think about so I'm trying not to ^^;)
And yes - I read enough American comics/webcomics and things that adjusting to speech-bubble order doesn't take me more than a page or two, but comics pacing is so different (and I tend to find action easier to follow in manga, even though I am pretty well terrible at following action in manga, so you can imagine what my comprehension of the comics is like...half the time I just count on the dialog to figure out who actually got defeated or whatever ^^;;;)
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Date: 2012-06-06 09:42 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-06-07 12:11 am (UTC)And thank you for sharing the scans/recaps above!
... Volstagg the ... Volstagginous. AHAHAHAHA.
Also, why do I find the Silver Surfer ridiculously amusing in pants? (Yeah, that makes you SO inconspicuous, dude.)
And the whole fake-Thor storyline looks like it should be awesome EXCEPT NO BROTHER REUNION, WTF. ;_; Actually, since watching Avengers I've been picking up Avengers comics here and there, and I am being reminded that superhero comics overall are pathetic in the emotional follow-through department. I keep feeling like it's building up to some really neat character scene, and then ... *fizzle*.
And I'm also frustrated that the serial nature of the genre means that no one ever really changes or learns or grows. It's deeply frustrating to me that they aren't willing to lose Loki as a villain and genuinely heal the rift between him and Thor for a while -- they can always turn him evil again later! Of course, the fact that I'm only seeing kinda-reformed Loki and not villain Loki probably makes a big difference here, but, well, there again, having 50 years of history between the characters to account for gives the writers less flexibility in what they can do with them now.
And the cyclical nature of it makes me less interested in where they're going than if it were almost anything else (a book, a TV show, a movie). Or, well, I guess it's like a typical '80s TV show where they just aren't going to mess with the underlying formula in any significant way. I was trying to avoid spoilers in the beginning, but it's getting so I don't really care; it doesn't seem to decrease my enjoyment, because there really aren't any significant surprises anyway.
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Date: 2012-06-07 01:02 am (UTC)The Silver Surfer in pants, ahahah, I left out this awesome panel addressing the problems of trying to acclimatize him to Earth life XD
The lack of the brotherly reunion is sliiiiiightly more understandable if you read the actual comic; this is the Loki-centric reading, but there's a bunch of other storylines as well. That being said, yeah, Loki's the narrator character for the last issue of the arc, so that you don't get to see him with Thor is tragic... (NO HUG! ;____;) (I think it's even worse when you're used to manga and it's ALL emotional follow-through, that even in fight shounen the characters and their relationships tend to be what's driving the action...I sort of expect American comics to have the same levels and no, not hardly...)
And yeah...the cyclic nature of comics is frustrating for that; it's all right that the heroes remain heroes (I like 'em that way!), but the villains being forced to always return to their evil ways is tragic. OTOH, Marvel is more flexible than some - what they're doing with kid!Loki now is more than I'd have imagined for most supervillains, even if it doesn't stick.
And then, too, Kieron Gillen said in an interview that he likes the movie version of Loki specifically because it shakes up the existing view of the character - "Hiddleston kind of warped the people’s perception of Loki in a way that will essentially mean that, even if I’m kicked off the book, we’re never going to have the old Loki...He’s not a cackling monster, he’s a man with needs and all that great stuff.
He’s not a direct influence because I was doing this before “Thor” happened, but I was very pleased with that happening and seeing that take on the character become the culturally dominant one, because that’s the way I write him." So there's some hope...
(...he also mentions that people will now be expecting a young hot Loki. So movies drag American comics closer to manga/anime after all XD)
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Date: 2012-06-08 05:32 am (UTC)Now that I've read the second book of "Fear Itself", it's even more of a bummer that there was no Thor-Loki reunion, because that's what happened to Thor after the end of "Fear Itself Fallout", right? Which has such epic angst potential! *sulks*
he cyclic nature of comics is frustrating for that; it's all right that the heroes remain heroes (I like 'em that way!), but the villains being forced to always return to their evil ways is tragic.
Yeah; after being used to the more nuanced storytelling in manga (and books, and even TV ...), there is a little bit of culture shock now that I'm going back to superhero comics, where everyone more or less walks around with a big blinking "Hero" or "Villain" sign over their head all the time. Not only that, but the villains are instantly recognizable as such, because they're ugly and grotesque and everyone knows they're evil. ... Well, Loki is an exception, obviously -- he's not ugly or grotesque -- but most of them are, and all of them may as well be carrying their "EVIL" label around. I used to read superhero comics a lot, so I suppose I must have been used to it, but I found it a bit disconcerting at first. XD
OTOH, Marvel is more flexible than some - what they're doing with kid!Loki now is more than I'd have imagined for most supervillains, even if it doesn't stick.
*nods* They actually do have some characters that switch sides permanently, even -- X-Men, in particular, has a few of those (although they do have a tendency to occasionally switch back). I don't know if they'd do it with someone like Loki, who is the major long-running villain of a long-running title, but I don't think it's impossible that they might keep kid!Loki as a separate character from adult!Loki for a while longer, even if they bring old!Loki back.
...he also mentions that people will now be expecting a young hot Loki. So movies drag American comics closer to manga/anime after all XD
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Oh, and while I'm mentioning things that I'm enjoying about the JiM books (and I imagine this is a big draw for you too!), I love how clever Loki is, how his plans have layers and layers to them and you can never quite be sure if what he's doing is just another layer to the plan. It reminds me a lot of the heist shows I like, where most of the fun is watching the characters' twisty plans unfold.
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Date: 2012-06-08 05:45 am (UTC)My last post had more of the interview with Gillen, including something nifty he said about the fixed nature of comic books, and how he's using audience expectation in his favor in JiM...it's clever storytelling, I must admit!
Oh, and while I'm mentioning things that I'm enjoying about the JiM books (and I imagine this is a big draw for you too!), I love how clever Loki is, how his plans have layers and layers to them and you can never quite be sure if what he's doing is just another layer to the plan. It reminds me a lot of the heist shows I like, where most of the fun is watching the characters' twisty plans unfold.
Hee, oh yes, that is absolutely one of my favorite things about the character (about any version of Loki, really!) - he's always got about 6 different plans going at once, and multiple motivations for anything he does, and you're always peeling back one to find the other and not quiiiite sure you've found the bottom, or if he's actually got something else going on that you don't know about. And at the same time he's always screwing things up and overestimating his own cleverness and getting into trouble and getting out of it. I love that even with kid!Loki, you can't trust most of what he says (actually kid!Loki is even better than old!Loki at obfuscation; he tends to avoid lying outright but is very good at, hmm, creative truth-telling. While original!Loki is too evil, kid!Loki and Neal Caffrey would get along famously, I feel ^^)
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Date: 2012-06-30 02:35 am (UTC)I also read your fic and I hope that "Everything Burns" doesn't end in some tragedy whether it's Loki going back to his evil ways, though if he hasn't yet even with all participating in as he put it "Loki football" but still. I hope neither of them ends hating one another. I love what they've done with JiM's version of Loki so I really REALLY hope they don't kill it.
Your fic tore my soul in half.
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Date: 2012-06-30 05:00 am (UTC)And thanks for reading the fic (sorry for the soul-tearing! ^^;) Agh, Everything Burns is stressing my fangirl heart...I want it to just hurry up and get here so I can find out what happens, and yet I'm afraid I don't want to know...!
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Date: 2012-07-30 07:42 am (UTC)So well, anyway, Loki was already my favourite in the mythology, in the movie and from what I can see in your masterpost ...in the comic as well.
Thank to you, I see a little clearly and I will be able to find the volumes I want to read. (mostly JIM from what I can see.)
I have a big big big crush on Kid!Loki! Little witty trickster, just aaaaaw. ♥
so anyway, thank you so much for this masterposts and If you plan to do a summary of the JIM you liked and so on, I would happily read it.
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Date: 2012-07-30 08:23 am (UTC)And yeah, Loki has been one of my all-time favorite mythological figures for years, so I very much enjoy fanning on his Marvel incarnation! (imho kid!Loki is the best true trickster of any of the Marvel versions...)
And JiM, well, I'll have to see (definitely love it, but it's also kind of breaking my heart right now, so not sure I want to go through it again at the moment ^^;)
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Date: 2012-10-27 07:55 pm (UTC)Thanks for this post!
Date: 2014-06-18 02:19 am (UTC)I saw "Thor: The Dark World" when it came out and fell into this fandom pretty much overnight. I've been searching for a good overview of the recent comic books, and this is it - thanks so much for going to so much work to put all this in one place.
I've been getting the graphic novels out from the public library, but they are missing important titles and your post helped me fill in the gaps. (Ironically, the first thing I read was the last title in the Gillen series.)
And on a different note I've been inhaling fic since last November, and your "No Such Liberty" is one of the absolute best. I love it so much I don't know where to start. So I plan to reread it again and this time send you some intelligent feedback.
Thanks again!
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Date: 2014-06-19 01:51 am (UTC)And eee, thank you for the comments on the fic as well! "No Such Liberty" pretty much ate my life for months, I'm glad I managed to share some of that obsession (and that it entertains even after T:TDW rendered it non-canonical!)