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See, this is why Doctor Who so totally trumps Smallville - DW's head writer, in the podcast episode commentary for "Last of the Time Lords", on the Doctor's relationship with his arch-nemesis (a one-time friend gone crazy-take-over-the-universe evil, sound familiar?)

Executive Producer Julie Gardner: "It's about two men who could be friends, who should be friends..."

Exec. Producer/Writer Russell T Davies: "...Or husbands, even!"

Re: Speakin' as a fan...

Date: 2007-08-01 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taleya.livejournal.com
BTW, if there's anything you want explained in simple bite-sized pieces, just ask. [livejournal.com profile] torasin loves the fact he's living with a living, breathing encyclopedia of canon wankosity :D

Re: Speakin' as a fan...

Date: 2007-08-01 06:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com
Actually...are there any eps that detail how the Gallifrey Time Lord academy (or what-have-you) worked? Especially with the Time Lordlets? I know the Doctor meets an old teacher or two...I'm sort of playing with a chibi-Doctor fic and while I'm having fun making up scifi shit (bureaucratic technobabble is <3), I'd just as soon not step on too many canon toes...

Re: Speakin' as a fan...

Date: 2007-08-01 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taleya.livejournal.com
:D

Actually, I'm hosting a guy with far too much time on his hands on my domain. Have a look at http://www.meshyfish.com/~roo/docwho1.html. Hefty amount to chew through, but it does cover book, series and audio canon (And also lists the Laws of Time)

Basically all you need to remember is The Academy, the seat of TL power was the Panopticon, the Doctor was in the Prydonian chapter, and he went to the academy with the Master (Koschei), the Rani (Ushas), The Meddling Monk (mortimus) Drax and The War chief (Magnus). That's from the book Divided Loyalties, but the Master/Rani/Doctor/Drax is TV canon. They all went rogue. I'm guessing it was a bad year for the academy

The doctor also spent a lot of his time at the academy doing badly and pissing off to talk to a hermit, and spent a lot of time with the Shobogans (underclass of dropouts). One of his most respected tutors was Borusa (who later became high Lord President of Gallifrey. )

The Doctor also did a lot of fucked up shit during his childhood - electrified the president's Perigosto stick, messed with the gravity net in the Panopticon so the entire graduation ceremony took place mid-air, and introduced cats to the Gallifreyan ecology. His accomplice in this was a fellow Time Lord called Ruath (BookCanon: Goth Opera)

If you want to play with it more: The ability to regenerate and to travel through time isn't native. It's instilled via genetic manipulation, also known as the Rassilon Imprimature - it's what divides Gallifreyans from Time Lords (a href="http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Rassilon_Imprimatur">TARDIS wiki stub) Who gets it is based on their performance at the academy, and the Order they're in.

That enough to get ya started? :D

picking yer brane

Date: 2007-08-01 07:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com
Ee, thanks! It sounds like most of the stuff with the kids is from the books? I'm more comfortable with ignoring book canon (really if I ever post fic it'll be with the huge not-at-all-canon disclaimer anyway, but...) I'm fic'ing the Doctor around 12, getting in trouble with the non-interference rules...(good to know he's canonically a troublemaker, since I've already had him trying to borrow a TARDIS and such...)

Ah-hah! So there is a difference between Gallifreyans and Time Lords! I've been trying to figure that one out.

(oh, does it ever state in TV canon that the Doctor & the Master were in the same class in the Academy? I had the Master being a year behind - not a major point as it's only a cameo, but...)

Re: picking yer brane

Date: 2007-08-01 07:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taleya.livejournal.com
Canonically (Across all three) the Doctor was a right royal little bastard at the academy :D if you want ideals on TV canon, you may want to check out The Deadly Assassin, Invasion of Time and The Five Doctors. Those three are set explicitly on Gallifrey itself. There's also to a lesser extent (dealing with the law side of things) Arc of infinity and the final episode of The War Games.

The Master you could do as a year younger in age, but in the same class. The Master was a brilliant scientist before he went batshit. I think the closest they get to expressly stating in TV canon is the line "We were at the academy together" from The Five Doctors

Re: picking yer brane

Date: 2007-08-01 07:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taleya.livejournal.com
Oh, and if you're referring to the Non-interferance laws.... Have a read up on the Minyans. The reason why that law was put into place - the Time Lords accelerated their technological capabilities beyond what they should have been and they destroyed themselves in war. Wikilink (http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Minyan)

TV canon: Underworld

Re: Speakin' as a fan...

Date: 2007-08-01 07:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taleya.livejournal.com
Oh, and I forgot:

TV canon: The Doctor graduated with a Double Gamma (51%) from his second attempt at the Academy. Failure or expulsion on the first go, it's never said :D

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