I've seen OTP ("One True Pairing") used a bunch of different ways around fandom, sometimes leading to confusion and misinterpretation. I'm curious what the general trends for its use are.
(For this poll, please answer the way you personally use OTP, not the way(s) you may have seen it used by other fans.)
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(For this poll, please answer the way you personally use OTP, not the way(s) you may have seen it used by other fans.)
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Date: 2009-02-27 10:43 am (UTC)But then, I'm also one who mostly uses it facetiously, because I don't write for the sake of a ship alone, and believe anything can be broken in fic if you have a good enough explanation for it.
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Date: 2009-02-27 11:07 am (UTC)I'm maybe kinda weird in that I don't write only my OTPs - but my OTPs are what provoke me into ficcing, generally. (I'm also weird because a lot of my OTPs are romance-optional; I have plenty of gen friendship/family OTPs. I call them OTPs because I relate to them in the same way a hardcore OTPer does; I'll get mopey about stories where their friendship is over...) So I started reading and writing GetBackers fic because I loved Ban & Ginji - but then I wrote fics with Ban & Shido or Ginji & Akabane. Go figure...
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Date: 2009-02-27 12:35 pm (UTC)http://www.livejournal.com/poll/?id=1356482&mode=enter
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Date: 2009-02-27 03:09 pm (UTC)Yes. This. Seconded.
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Date: 2009-02-27 12:53 pm (UTC)In 15 years of fandom, in quite a few different ones, the only pairing I've ever called OTP is John/Rodney in SGA. Not that I didn't love the other pairings at the time, some I still read from time to time, but this pairing is the one that has touched me the most, thus making it my one and only OTP.
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Date: 2009-02-27 12:58 pm (UTC)I've always thought that OTP was derived from One True Love, which to me means, once again, that it is something unique, and that could explain my way of understanding the definition of it :).
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Date: 2009-02-27 04:16 pm (UTC)"together forever" is my general personal OTP definition (though my definition of "together" is somewhat odd; Lex & Clark's eternal nemesising might satisfy, as long as there's hope for some kind of resolution eventually...)
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Date: 2009-02-28 06:51 am (UTC)And I use OTP to refer to friendships, mainly because I get attached on occasion to "exclusive" friendships - not that they're the only friends they have, but two (or sometimes more characters) having a particular bond that's incomparable to anything else. (I like to think of the SGA team like this, though canon sometimes interferes...)
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Date: 2009-02-27 05:45 pm (UTC)It doesn't imply exclusivity -- usually for my so-called friendship OTPs, seeing the friendship broken up makes me sad, but isn't the end of the world; I wouldn't want to read a steady diet of friendship breakup fics, and I hate seeing it happen in canon, but it's not a dealbreaker for me. I think I orient much more strongly on "friendship OTPs" when I first enter a fandom, because usually they're what draw me into a fandom, and I'll be seeking out fics that are almost exclusively that for a while, and then branching out into a wider variety of fic if I get tired of those or (as in most smaller fandoms) run out.
You and I have talked about this, but romantic relationships don't threaten it for me, canonical or fanonical, because I see them as something other -- actually, in the case of my platonic OTPs, a relationship between them is probably the biggest threat that there is short of the death of one of them (which is a big part of why I tend not to friendship-OTP male-female friendships in canon). The dynamic of two friends plus their romantic partner(s), and working out how the relationship affects the friendship, is one I love, maybe in part because it's rare to find either fanfic or published fiction that explores it (since they tend to focus on the couple). I also like friendships that are a little bit on the edge or uncertain -- I like seeing them skirt the edge of falling into disaster without quite doing so (I guess it's like the will-they-or-won't-they dynamic in romance). I enjoy the push-pull of a friendship that's not quite stable.
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Date: 2009-02-28 07:01 am (UTC)I don't work like that in fandoms I'm not ficcing for, generally - I'll have characters, relationships, and pairings that I like and dislike, but rarely will they make-or-break a show for me. I'm not sure why, exactly, but I suspect it has to do with the thought that goes into fic - once I really think out a set of character dynamics, and figure out why they work so well the way they are, I have a hard time adjusting to them being changed...(as mentioned, I don't always code romance as a change - it depends on the chars, but I don't usually see it as a "threat"; as we've discussed, romance/slashing for me is more about, hmmm, stabilizing a friendship/partnership. Though I didn't always think this way - I was very perturbed by the idea of Mulder/Scully Romance back in X-files. Still, in current fandom climate it's a convenient adjustment for me to have made!)
I think I orient much more strongly on "friendship OTPs" when I first enter a fandom, because usually they're what draw me into a fandom, and I'll be seeking out fics that are almost exclusively that for a while, and then branching out into a wider variety of fic if I get tired of those or (as in most smaller fandoms) run out.
Ah, yes, this is what I do as well - except that instead of branching out, I'm more likely to just jump to a new fandom.
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Date: 2009-02-27 05:54 pm (UTC)I use the term OTP to mean a relationship that I don't want interfered with, whether it be platonic or romantic. I have referred to myself as a John and Rodney OTP friendshipper before. I enjoy reading about other relationships, but they can't interfere with that relationship. For example, I don't handle fics well that try to portray John as having a closer bond with someone else, say Ronon and/or Teyla, than with Rodney. I can read both John and Rodney in a romantic relationship with other people, but they still have to be best friends.
I tend to fixate on a certain relationship in my shows, rather than certain characters, at least for the shows I read fic for. Sometimes I'll have an OTP that I don't read fic for (like John/Aeryn of Farscape) but that's usually because the show itself is such a complete story to me that I don't feel any need to expand it.
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Date: 2009-02-28 07:09 am (UTC)For me it depends on whether I see the romance as interfering with the friendship - John/Larrin, for instance, doesn't bother me on the OTP front, while as I felt Rodney/Keller was more "threatening" to the friendship, that she was supposed to love him more than John did, and vice versa...but it's all subjective, of course!
I tend to fixate on a certain relationship in my shows, rather than certain characters, at least for the shows I read fic for.
I'm the same way! Though I have a lot of series I adore that I don't fic (read or write) for - I tend not to have OTPs in those, though, or only have canon OTPs (John/Aeryn being one.) (I call those my "Type A" fandoms - the canon is perfect on its own, fic not needed; while my fic fandoms are "Type B.")
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Date: 2009-02-27 06:49 pm (UTC)My answers to this pre-JE fandom would have been a little different, and as a matter of fact I think JE's going to remain the statistical outlier. This is the first fandom in which I've had not only two favorite pairings but two favorite pairings that directly conflicted (i.e. Person A/Person B and Person A/Person C). Before, I was the sort of person that imprinted on a pairing and then got very protective and refused to read anything that denied it. It remains to be seen whether I'll fall back into my old ways in shiny new fandoms or not.
(Hm, now I'm second-guessing my answers. XD)
(Fun fact: there's some kind of chain in Hungary -- stores or banks or something -- called "OTP". I snickered every time I passed one and made sure to take pictures. *g*)
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Date: 2009-02-28 07:16 am (UTC)I don't know if I've had conflicting OTPs, but One Piece was the only fandom I've written a lot for that I had no OTP at all - I wrote a bunch of ZoSan, but gleefully shipped pretty much every possible combination of the characters. Though really I might have had an OT7 - OT9 by now - so any crew-combo fit into that. Though I'd often check out other pairings - it was a free-for-all! I think it's partly because OP's canon is so absolutely non-romantic that any ship is pretty much OOC parody; maybe also because I didn't have any favorite chars in OP, either...it was a lot of fun, but I just can't manage to fan like that in most fandoms.
(The OTP store! I'd be a frequent visitor...)
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Date: 2009-02-27 06:51 pm (UTC)Generally I use OTP to mean "omg FOREVAR AND EVAR" but that doesn't mean I don't entertain the notion other pairings with the same characters. Like, for instance, Maka and Soul from Soul Eater are clearly OTP but Maka and Chrona are just plain adorable.
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Date: 2009-02-28 07:18 am (UTC)(Maka & Soul are so sweet, but really I'm in it for Stein-hakase anyway XP)
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Date: 2009-02-27 10:52 pm (UTC)Interestingly, in Harry Potter fandom I swung between Harry/Draco or Harry/Snape for quite a while. It'd just depend on my mood. (So I had two OTPs, I guess?) Towards the end of my time there (my break with that series was so intense I don't read HP fanfic anymore) Draco/Snape took over as my OTP.
In X-Files, Mulder/Scully was my OTP, but again, I'd read any other pairing but generally only those with either Mulder or Scully as part of the pair.
So here's my conclusion: One or two characters become my favorite (usually via canon), and I like to see them paired up in romantic relationships. If I adore two characters, pairing them is an obvious default choice, but I'll enjoy reading about one or the other in other pairings (with the caveat that the not-paired character must not be bashed, which sometimes happens so you gots to be careful).
Here's the confusing twist: Sometimes the reason I like two characters fairly equally is because of the way they interact with each other within canon. Which leads to the question: which comes first: the OTP or my character-love? ;)
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Date: 2009-02-28 07:40 am (UTC)Though as I've mentioned, I have little to no interest in romance on its own; pretty much the only time I actually *want* a romantic relationship is when the characters have a strong relationship already, and I want it reinforced by a romantic bond. So in X-files, Mulder/Scully is a romantic OTP for me, because the intensity of their partnership and interdependency is such that I want it emphasized by the intimacy of romance. If a character has no significant relationships, I'll accept romance in lieu of something more interesting to me (I rather like the idea of Snape in a pairing, because he gets no love otherwise!), but I'm always hoping then for the romance to develop into a deeper friendship/family bond.
There's two exceptions to this. I have a thing for long-term, married-couple ships, so if a pair of characters are introduced as already romantically involved, I tend to really like them that way - such as Zoe/Wash in Firefly. They're rare on TV, though.
I also like, on occasion, really screwed-up, twisted romance - one of my last X-files fics was a Scully/Krycek story, in which Scully was secretly working for the conspiracy. In that fic, her most important relationship was still with Mulder, but she was having sex with Krycek. (who wouldn't, really, given the chance! XP) There's no SGA pairings that really work like that for me, though (John/Larrin could have, if they were more genuinely antagonistic and less openly flirtatious...)
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Date: 2009-02-28 01:25 pm (UTC)But if you widen the definition to mean "characters you want to be together forever", then I'd be OTPing all over the place! :) The team of four in SGA would definitely qualify, not to mention the entire team of Mugiwaras in One Piece.
Hmm. With the first definition, an Ed&Al OTP would be incestous and squicky to me. With the second definition, I'm all for it! That could lead to misunderstandings, I guess... ^^;
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Date: 2009-03-01 05:10 pm (UTC)But, yeah, the majority of fans don't use OTP quite like that, so it can lead to confusion...
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Date: 2009-03-01 09:22 am (UTC)So I consider it a very limited term and rarely use it, though I could apply it to some of the pairings I like. Funnily enough, I find that the pairing I'm most invested in and most passionate about across all fandoms is one that I can't even call an OTP, because I also enjoy half of the pairing with someone else (though certainly not to the same extent).
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Date: 2009-03-01 04:38 pm (UTC)I don't think I've ever OTP-ed in the literal sense of the word, as in having just ONE pairing for two certain characters in my entire course in a fandom -- I've always ended up multishipping. As long as two people make sense and ping for me when they're together, I'm onboard. It's also very much possible for me to get all shippery glee over moments with people who I don't romantically ship at all e.g. Sarah/Derek (TSCC) and Charlie/Dani (Life).
But I'll say that I'm very, very protective over married couples, well-known or otherwise. In comics like all the Flashes (Jay/Joan, Barry/Iris, Wally/Linda), Clark/Lois, Peter/MJ & Rick/Jesse. On TV, like FNL's Coach and Tami. I can't personally relate but having parents who have been married for almost 30 years, I do know this much: marriage is a lot of love but also a lot of hard work. Not sure if I'm able to really articulate my feelings on this but I just find myself rooting a little bit harder for these couples when they go through rough times, compared to those who are not binded in such kind of relationship. Same with couples who have children.
I'll also add friendships are awesome and should definitely be celebrated as much as romance. :D
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Date: 2009-03-01 05:26 pm (UTC)I count "OTP" with friendships as much as romantic pairings - I'm a gen fan; I absolutely love moments of friendship and caring between many pairs of chars who I don't want together romantically (Sarah-Derek & Charlie-Dani both being in that category...)
And I have a major married couple kink, too - probably for the same reason as you (my parents will be celebrating their 35th anniversary this year. ^^) Successful marriages are so rare in media that I adore seeing them. (I'm not so much into comic books, but Clark/Lois actually causes me troubles, because as a Smallville fan Clark/Lex is one of my ultimate OTPs - but I watched Lois & Clark way back when, so there's a part of me that always ships Clark/Lois. (heck, I thought they were pretty cute in SV, too...) I haven't really worked out how to handle the paradox - as an OTP fan it's most troubling! XP)
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Date: 2009-03-02 02:54 am (UTC)For myself, I've always considered the term OTP to refer to two characters who are very obviously slashy on-screen, and much more so than any other possible pairing in the show (in the case of ensemble casts.) By that definition, e.g., I would consider Starsky and Hutch to be an OTP, but I wouldn't consider John and Rodney so; it's a subjective thing, I suppose, but I expect more obviously overt behavior (touching, H/C situations, overt affection), and John and Ronon have as many of those moments as John and Rodney do.
so far I haven't seen a lot of OTPs (the way I consider them) but that just frees me up to write whatever pairings I like in the shows I love, especially if there's evidence of a connection I want to explore.
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Date: 2009-03-02 05:37 am (UTC)It does seem like some fans think of OTP only as related to canon couples (or possibly very close to canon couples like S&H?) At any rate, an OTP should never straitjacket one's writing; if you want to write other pairings, I say more power to you! It's just in my case that I often can't write outside my OTP - I just won't be inspired without it.
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Date: 2009-03-22 04:15 am (UTC)A pairing in any fandom, where the two people seem made for each other on some meta level, and even if they end up with someone else, they could never be as "good" apart as they are together.