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The non-spoilerery reaction to SPN "All Hell Breaks Loose Pt.1":
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
(--and it doesn't count! not if he's--because--argh! AHHHH!!)
And now a few comments on Smallville 6x21 "Prototype" from
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1. Lex is hot.
2. Lex is evil.
3. Lois is still in my good books, and has a genuine reason to be mad as hell and out to take Lex down. As opposed to Chloe, who blames Lex for, um, bringing her mother out of her coma. Still confused on that one.
4. Lex is hot.
5. Our Heroes are Dumb. And I want to smack them around. 'Oh, yeah, Lex used to be a bit shady but now he's gone black as the inside of a ninja's navel at midnight. Why? Oh, we have no idea. You know, he just is. The script says so. Why ask why?'
6. Clark is awful pretty. Dumb, but awful pretty.
7. Lex is trying to save the world. Yes, in a wrong and evil way. Still. Saving the world.
8. Lex is on the fast track to supervillain-hood for reasons I don't buy. If he's so convinced of the reality of the metahuman threat, why does he have to mind control soldiers to do his bidding? Couldn't he talk them into it? Especially when the guy had signed on willingly? Also, what about the aliens he knows are out there? Why doesn't he care? I'm totally fanwanking from this point on that Lex's number one priority is still alien invasion, he just doesn't have evidence enough to get people to believe him. Except that the doc at least knows aliens are real...
9. At least they're setting up the appropriate anti-Superman tension, with his whole metahumans = THREAT TO HUMANITY (totally justified) paranoia.
10. And Lex knew Lana was listening! And totally knew he wasn't the man she loved, either. Why he's still trying to win her affections, I have no idea. Just kill her, Lex. Please.
11. He needs to be better with his help, however. Threatening them is all very well, but no need to lose your cool. Though he is quite young, not as imposing as a fully mature supervillain, still feeling the chill of Daddy's shadow. And that momentary flash of guilt (?) when facing his successful test subject in the teaser...shows of temper to hide his own uncertainties, perhaps.
12. None of this changes the fact that Lex is hot.
13. Seriously. Hot. The no-tie and top-button-undone and black slacks and jacket and yow.
14. And he has good taste in brainwashed soldiers. Mmm, Tahmoh Penikett. One wonders what else those implants did.
15. And Lex has a minion, too! That dark-haired guy following him around is so going to die. Or betray him. Please, if you must go, do so saving your boss, Unnamed Minion! You know how much fanatic minion loyalty turns me on.
16. Um. So Clark totally just killed a guy. Even if he sort of wanted to die. Clark killed a victim of Lex's. I was expecting Lex to mention a preprogrammed self-destruct function, but no. Clark killed a guy.
17. I realize that I no longer care about anyone in this show except for Lex. And Clark, but only because Lex cares. This is not the best mindset to enjoy the show. Sigh. I might give it up over the summer. We'll see.
18. Did I mention that Lex is hot?
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
(--and it doesn't count! not if he's--because--argh! AHHHH!!)
And now a few comments on Smallville 6x21 "Prototype" from
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1. Lex is hot.
2. Lex is evil.
3. Lois is still in my good books, and has a genuine reason to be mad as hell and out to take Lex down. As opposed to Chloe, who blames Lex for, um, bringing her mother out of her coma. Still confused on that one.
4. Lex is hot.
5. Our Heroes are Dumb. And I want to smack them around. 'Oh, yeah, Lex used to be a bit shady but now he's gone black as the inside of a ninja's navel at midnight. Why? Oh, we have no idea. You know, he just is. The script says so. Why ask why?'
6. Clark is awful pretty. Dumb, but awful pretty.
7. Lex is trying to save the world. Yes, in a wrong and evil way. Still. Saving the world.
8. Lex is on the fast track to supervillain-hood for reasons I don't buy. If he's so convinced of the reality of the metahuman threat, why does he have to mind control soldiers to do his bidding? Couldn't he talk them into it? Especially when the guy had signed on willingly? Also, what about the aliens he knows are out there? Why doesn't he care? I'm totally fanwanking from this point on that Lex's number one priority is still alien invasion, he just doesn't have evidence enough to get people to believe him. Except that the doc at least knows aliens are real...
9. At least they're setting up the appropriate anti-Superman tension, with his whole metahumans = THREAT TO HUMANITY (totally justified) paranoia.
10. And Lex knew Lana was listening! And totally knew he wasn't the man she loved, either. Why he's still trying to win her affections, I have no idea. Just kill her, Lex. Please.
11. He needs to be better with his help, however. Threatening them is all very well, but no need to lose your cool. Though he is quite young, not as imposing as a fully mature supervillain, still feeling the chill of Daddy's shadow. And that momentary flash of guilt (?) when facing his successful test subject in the teaser...shows of temper to hide his own uncertainties, perhaps.
12. None of this changes the fact that Lex is hot.
13. Seriously. Hot. The no-tie and top-button-undone and black slacks and jacket and yow.
14. And he has good taste in brainwashed soldiers. Mmm, Tahmoh Penikett. One wonders what else those implants did.
15. And Lex has a minion, too! That dark-haired guy following him around is so going to die. Or betray him. Please, if you must go, do so saving your boss, Unnamed Minion! You know how much fanatic minion loyalty turns me on.
16. Um. So Clark totally just killed a guy. Even if he sort of wanted to die. Clark killed a victim of Lex's. I was expecting Lex to mention a preprogrammed self-destruct function, but no. Clark killed a guy.
17. I realize that I no longer care about anyone in this show except for Lex. And Clark, but only because Lex cares. This is not the best mindset to enjoy the show. Sigh. I might give it up over the summer. We'll see.
18. Did I mention that Lex is hot?
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Date: 2007-05-11 03:10 pm (UTC)16. Um. So Clark totally just killed a guy. Even if he sort of wanted to die. Clark killed a victim of Lex's. I was expecting Lex to mention a preprogrammed self-destruct function, but no. Clark killed a guy.
Thank you!!! *throws hands in air* I jsut read someone justifying it saying that Clark was in a 'life or death situation'. WTF?!? Clark can't *BE* in a life or death situation unless Kryptonite or Doomsday are involved!! Just - no! He killed (again) plain and simple - but everyone is blaming the death on Lex. Whatever.
I just wrote a huge rant that I'll probably get flamed for by the Clark et al fans on my list but I really don't care. This show baffles me with it's weird version of morals.
But at least we got Lex in all black with his shirt unbuttoned, eh?? *FLAILZ*
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Date: 2007-05-11 04:36 pm (UTC)minionfriend of Lex's... XD (and please excuse my ravings in your own comments!)It had been life or death for Lois, maybe. But Lois was out of danger. I was pretty astonished that Lois doesn't even comment that Clark murdered him. The guy's death in "Combat" didn't bother me overly much, because that was a battle to the death and Clark was in danger (I'm willing to concede that Clark isn't fully developed so may be able to be endangered by monsters other than Doomsday. But enhanced meteor mutants, no, I doubt it...) I really was thinking Lex was going to make some comment about a self-destruct mechanism (what with the code the soldier was muttering) But no...
Hey, I'm a Clark fan! And I take exception to the way SV is destroying his char these days. Baffling indeed.
But Lex. With the shirt and the unbuttoning and yeah. Gah. Why must you make it so hard to quit you, stupid show?!
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Date: 2007-05-11 07:15 pm (UTC)And, well, I friended you for it, so anyone who wants to flame you 'cause killing is okay when Clark does it can :P
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Date: 2007-05-11 04:42 pm (UTC)No, no, no! Who will then explain the show to me in ways that make things awesome?
Lex was hot, just like the last three weeks. So was everyone, actually, except Lionel. He and Chloe have bad hair this season. No, wait, that was not what I wanted to say...
Ah, yes! World saving. Although Lex always delivers that justification in a way that sort of makes me doubt it's genuine, I can see no other motivation he could have for building an army of supersoldiers... so he's trying to do good in evil and non-sensical ways. Which is sort of what everyone on this show does, only they're not all quite that evil. But still. I see a theme here. *sigh*
And the Lex/Lana confrontation was awesome. Also, the show acknowledged that they're not having sex!
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Date: 2007-05-11 05:08 pm (UTC)...er, I mean--
Although Lex always delivers that justification in a way that sort of makes me doubt it's genuine
Hmm. Good, I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this. The only time Lex has really sounded geunine to me, rather than EEEVOLLY scheming & manipulative, is his confrontation with Fine in "Oracle", and maybe in "Nemesis", though he doesn't mention the world-saving then. That's one reason I can keep fanwanking the alien invasion defense hypothesis, if his going on about meteor mutants and terrorist vigilantes is a cover for that.
Actually I think I figured out how to explain the mind control! It's still unethical (though Keenan did sign on...I wonder what he thought he was signing on for) but Lex has reasons for wanting absolute mental control over his soldiers. Partly because of meteor psychosis - most mutants have fairly evident neurological problems; combining all those powers couldn't be good for the brain. The soldiers might well be functionally insane without the mind control.
Also, if the alien defense hypothesis holds - Lex knows the aliens can take over peoples' minds/bodies. Zod took him over, and Lionel was possessed by Jor-El. So soldiers operating on remote control might be the only reasonable option. Doesn't justify doing it (mind control is pretty much unjustifiable, in my book, and after all the mindfuckery Lex has endured he should know this better than anyone...I like your explanation, that he's consciously or subconsciously taking those past transgressions on his psyche out on his victims...) but at least there's semi-reasonable explanations for it.
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Date: 2007-05-11 06:15 pm (UTC)(I can't stop exclaiming!)
And Lois, bless her heart. Though her plot with Lex's New Boyfriend felt real, it's just... dammit, why does everyone have to be a petty bastard? Look, I know that Lois was investigating Senator Fatman on her own, but they've repeatedly put her in the position of hating Lex for experimenting on/being the irrational obsession of her boyfriends (Aquatool, Ollie, Wes). That's subtle, but it's still disgusting, and it positions a strong woman firmly in the role of X's Angry Girlfriend instead of investigating Lex of her own right because hey, something hinky is going on there! What a random luck of the draw, for Lois's first love to be the prototype for Lex's anti-alien army! And Now It's Personal (tm)! *sighs* Well, it's personal for everyone, isn't it, Miss Lane? Why don't you ALL get over yourselves, forget your stupid grudges, and try to save the world instead of your bffs, K?!
And re: 16. Clark killed another dude. He SO did. Clark is so out of control. What, he couldn't have supersped the guy to the hospital? I mean, it makes it easier for me to write Clark as turning to Lex's side because if he's cool with murder but not torture, they could probably work something out. :P
Lex WAS really hot tonight. I think it was a combo of GOOD camera angles (cause when they shoot him in the wrong light and from bad angles he just looks weird or roundfaced... same with Clark and the nosecam), MR's acting, and really, they need to stop putting him in suits that cut off his neck. (that and his KIOS orange tan of doom is fading) He was in fine form.
I think Lex must have multiple goals, and one of them HAS to be aliens, because dur, Zoners are aliens and since Clark has been playing with his balls in the barn moping over Lana, they're still out there. He knows this hand has proof. The ones Clark hasn't killed, anyway. They just... totally, ripped off Marvel with the metahuman population boom threat to humanity. So that... okay. We have now ripped off Terminator, Heroes, and Civil War to do the 33.1 storyline. Brrrrrilliant. Now I feel better about ripping off Xavier to have Lex take in lil metas for training.
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Date: 2007-05-11 10:51 pm (UTC)But Chloe started her anti-Lex campaign before that. She's been accusing Lex of evil since mid-fourth season, long before he'd done anything to legitimately warrant her mistrust. And, yes, I've read your take on that, but it honestly doesn't work for me. When I look at the situation, it lines up like this: By mid-fourth season, Lex has saved Chloe's life multiple times. He's saved her father's life at least once, and twice if Gabe also survived the safe-house explosion. (They're so unclear on whether Gabe is still alive that it makes my teeth ache.) Lex stepped in to try to help her cousin Lucy, whom he barely knew, and apparently never pressed charges when Lucy blatantly ripped him off for a hefty sum of money and an expensive car. Lex has saved her friend Pete's life. He's saved her supposed friend Lana's life. He's saved Clark's life, and Jonathan's life, and he's saved the LuthorCorp plant in Smallville and the Kent family farm. Chloe has every reason to think well of Lex, and instead she begins to accuse and malign him for no apparent reason. I don't meant to pick a fight with you, but she seems (initially, at least) incredibly ungrateful where Lex is concerned. Of course, so does everyone else in the SV universe....
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Date: 2007-05-12 10:02 am (UTC)The one thing about Chloe and "Freak" is that she doesn't have absolute proof Lex was behind it. Er, at least I don't think she does? The laptop's ties to LuthorCorp weren't totally clear, were they? If she had proof, then dude, why didn't she call the cops? While as the Moira situation, she did know for sure, even if Lex shut her down before she could report him. (not to mention, she'd have to explain that she got her evidence by being brainwashed into driving him off a road and robbing him...) So maybe she's trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. Or, more likely, they put "Promise" after "Freak" and needed Chloe still on speaking terms with Lex for "Promise" and therefore had to erase "Freak" from her memory. Because, geeze. You don't be the bridesmaid in a wedding where the groom kidnapped and tagged you a week before. You just don't. (I know, we've been over this before. It's just! Yargh! Stupid, stupid writing! Poor Chloe... *gives Chloe to you for cuddling*)
Clark is...I...I'm not going to think about it. He shouldn't be a murderer. He just shouldn't be. Yeesh!
And most importantly - down with ties! Lex's neck should never be cut off. Anything that shows off those collarbones is a good thing!
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Date: 2007-05-11 06:31 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-05-12 10:02 am (UTC)Lex is Hot...
Date: 2007-05-11 07:18 pm (UTC)But that would make sense. Nothing -- well, very little anyway -- on this show makes sense. Except that Lex is Hot.
"11. ...shows of temper to hide his own uncertainties, perhaps."
I'm not excusing Lex's mistakes, or blaming them on someone else. But it's simply true: of course Lex is paranoid and insecure. Who wouldn't be in his situation. I keep thinking 'if only, if only, if only', re: Clark and his parents. But of course, there's canon. Damned canon, anyway. And SV got rid of a lot of canon, including a Clark Kent who was a hero, so why not this? Why not Clark and Lex working together to save the world, and having a lot of heated arguments about their methods along the way? Would have been a more interesting show, in my opinion.
"17. I realize that I no longer care about anyone in this show except for Lex. And Clark, but only because Lex cares."
The SV writers made me stop caring about anyone else on the show, by turning them all into super-self-righteous hypocrites, which is worse, in my book, than being a supervillain. I have more to say, obviously, and will do so later. :-)))
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Date: 2007-05-12 10:06 am (UTC)Yeah, SV has warped so much canon that there's a part of me seriously hoping that they'll just forget the comics entirely and redeem Lex. Or else just make Clark go totally evil and join him! Save the world together, or rule it...either way works for me (and hey, with Lex it's probably one and the same anyway. I really don't think Lex running the world would be the worst thing that could happen...)
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Date: 2007-05-11 07:38 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-05-11 11:24 pm (UTC)It would be too much to have a LL_minions or lex_minions community, wouldn't it?
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Date: 2007-05-12 10:35 am (UTC)Clark has disturbed me since the first seasons, when he let a couple people die (I think it was the guy in "Fire" that first made me go 'errrm'. I try to ignore it but lately that's pretty much impossible, when he's getting more, hmm, active about it...
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Date: 2007-05-11 07:44 pm (UTC)Motivations for Mind-Controlling Lex and Doofus Clark
Date: 2007-05-12 01:00 am (UTC)The theory that gK is a Monkey's Paw - that it grants wishes in the worst possible way - is long established in fanon, and maybe canon. And Smallville is so soaked in the stuff, I posit Clark has been affected in the way his mind works, even when the gK isn't making him physically ill.
Lex's touchstone - over and above even Saving The World From The Alien Menace - is knowledge. Knowledge for its own sake, knowledge for strategy's sake, knowledge as a means of keeping himself safe. Adding the Monkey's Paw factor, that means his quest for knowledge is carried out, and fulfilled, in ways he didn't intend or want, originally.
Mind-control thus becomes part obsession with knowledge, and part Monkey's Paw wish fulfillment. It would keep people loyal, or at least keep them from betraying him without his knowing about it ahead of time. Also, the more he knows about mind control, the more he knows how to prevent it being done to himself.
Clark's a little trickier, but here's my theory: Clark's overriding desire is to be accepted for himself. Thanks to the gK's Monkey Paw factor, he's put up with almost anything for that.
He put up with Pete's various betrayals, he accepted Alicia's manipulations of other people (turning against her only when she manipulated him), and now he accepts the brutish tactics of Ollie and Co. without the anger and self-righteousness he shows Lex. A case could be made that he only turned against Lex once and for all when it became clear that Lex would not "accept him for himself," but would keep questioning and investigating him. In the future, Clark will put up with becoming Superman - sentencing himself to a kind of multiple-personality disorder, and the double life that goes with it, not to mention being humankind's Mr. Fix-It, in order to find the acceptance he craves.
gK took their natural longings and turned those longings into a trap that neither will escape from.
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Date: 2007-05-12 03:43 am (UTC)Re: Motivations for Mind-Controlling Lex and Doofus Clark
Date: 2007-05-12 05:35 am (UTC)I've been working on my own tiny contribution to this theory, which doesn't negate yours.
When Lex was hit by the meteor dust, he was feeling small and inferior, and wanted to be big and frightening, in the mostly innocent way that small children who are constantly pushed around do. That's why almost everyone has a negative reaction to him, even before he does anything to earn that reaction. It's why Clark was immune to the effects, until other people started telling him that Lex was bad news.
Aaargh!
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Date: 2007-05-12 10:51 am (UTC)Clark's desire to be accepted...that does make sense. (The tragedy is of course that Lex would accept him, in fact wanted to accept him for himself; Clark isn't himself when he's lying...)
Even more than wish fulfillment, this sounds like gK enhances obsession...or else grants wishes by making the wish one's overriding impulse, beyond all sense or reason. Hmm...that actually makes sense. An impulse, driving desire that goes beyond the limits of one's body, or physics...that's pretty much mutant powers in a nutshell.
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Date: 2007-05-12 07:12 am (UTC)I have remained blissfully(?) unspoiled for the next episode, so aside from "OMG NOOOOO" I have nothing useful in particular to add.
However, I stand by my theory that low-level kryptonite exposure from childhood is having much the same effect on Clark's brain as lead poisoning on any normal child's brain...
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Date: 2007-05-12 02:46 pm (UTC)Hee to the lead = kryptonite. It's funny...tragic...'cuz it's true!
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Date: 2007-05-12 06:29 pm (UTC)...oh, Dean.
AHHHHHHH!! I wish I hadn't been so upset about the whole triple-A thing (I liked them, goddamn, more than all of the other BOTWs...), then I could have enjoyed it more. Sam has Main Character Immunity, the A's didn't, and - still, that last scene is wrenching, and it DOES count even if he is, doesn't it? And YAY for Dean's instincts to hug and hold and touch, unlike what Certain Other People do when their brothers are dying...!
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Date: 2007-05-13 01:21 am (UTC)Now I have to ask: which certain other people?
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Date: 2007-05-12 07:04 pm (UTC)WTF happened to Lionel's hair? But he totally just seperated Clark from his mom, evil~
My opinion on Lex and his low EQ is several things combined. High IQ and bald, I'm going to guess that even with hair, Lex probably would have a hard time relating to kids his age and the older kids would just ignores him, add being bald and the other kids picks on him as well, S1-S3 mentioned that a few times, the biggest one being "Memoria". Rich kid, everybody knows everybody, given that it looks like Lex only had one friend before Clark, it doesn't look like his social peers were interested in being his friend. Lionel Luthor, this actually isn't even supported by canon but given how much Lionel controls Lex, I won't be surprise if Lionel chooses his companions as well, Lionel also plays mind games and heaps emotional abuse on Lex like there's no tomorrow. Errr... I think I can rant about what Lionel did to Lex for a very long time, except it's kinda late, maybe I'll continue this tomorrow.
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Date: 2007-05-13 05:06 am (UTC)If not forgetting to undo Lex's top buttons. Mmmm. Yoooow.
In some Superman canon that I've seen (Maggin's, and it seems Birthright is like this?), Lex's low EQ is totally because of his stratospheric IQ; he cannot relate to normal people because his mind operates on such a higher level that he's got to lower himself to communicate, and doesn't see the point. As he gets older he realizes the advantages of working with/using people and starts making the effort, and of course is good at it because, yeah, smartest man alive and all.
SV's Lex isn't like that though. I agree on the EQ thing being a lot of lack of experience. Especially since Lex is actually at his most natural with Lionel, I'd say...Lionel is, ironically, one of the only people Lex is comfortable around, because Lionel raised him that way. Lionel definitely controlled Lex's friendships - the birthday party that no one came to, as seen in "Memoria", that was totally Lionel's doing, it had to be. I don't care how unpopular the little bald kid was, he was a Luthor; parents would have been making their kids go to suck up to Lionel. Lionel must've arranged it otherwise.
I also think Lex's problem is that he has a lot of self-hatred - he doesn't think he's worthy of love (witness Lexana and what he feels he has to do to keep Lana) and as much as he wants acceptance, he's always sabotaging his relations, feeling like he should warn people away from his darkness. His thuggish treatment of his employees now I've been interpreting in this vein (entering supreme Lex-apologist mode. I really need to invent a tag to warn about this!) - Lex thinks the world-saving is vital, but at the same time he doesn't think he's doing the right thing, he doesn't want acclaim for it and he doesn't want to be liked for it. He wants people to do their jobs but hey, if they're forced into it, then maybe they'll be able to live with themselves. (heck, I could argue the mind control on the same twisted principle...) Lex is damning his soul but doesn't see why everyone under him should as well.
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Date: 2007-05-13 11:13 am (UTC)Please please don't! I'm relying on you to make it right again!
Oh, and didn't you think Lex was particularly hot in this episode? :p I loved the bit when he confronted Lana about her listening. Ha! Silly girl trying to outdo our Lex, he is SO on to you. His 'whenever I give my love to someone I cared about I'm always disappointed' line also got me grinning. Clark! You disappointer you!
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Date: 2007-05-13 03:09 pm (UTC)Hee, yes, Lex confronting Lana was awesome. I wish he'd done it episodes and episodes ago and live in hope that maybe he's known about her skulking about all along...but still, at least he's onto her now! Hah!
18. Did I mention that Lex is hot?
Date: 2007-05-13 11:29 am (UTC)lexishotlexishot...lalala...and clarkkilled...lalala
lex is hot should be inserted in every post you have!!!!!!
and damn, don't you dare to leave us. whether you leave the show is up to discussion :D
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Date: 2007-05-13 03:12 pm (UTC)Even if I don't write it out, rest assured, if you read in between the lines, the thought is there! ^_^
*laughs* You mean we can't go unless it's decided by committee? Okay, if you promise to stay with the Clex, we'll stick around to explain why Lex deserves all the happy Clark-sex he can get! XD
yep, committee is is ;D
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